“Wouldn't a closed-cell nickel foam with hydrogen in the closed cells be
intriguing?”

I would suggest using a copper nickel foam to start out with.


http://www.americanelements.com/nicufoam.html

Then remove the copper from the foam
with an acid bath to increase the porosity of the foam in the fashion of
Celani.

Cheers:    Axil


On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jack Cole <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think I'll try both ways (AC and DC) to compare.
>
> I've been thinking about other materials too (such as tungsten/nickel wool
> or foam).
>
> See here:
> http://www.americanelements.com/tungsten-nickel-wool.html
>
> Here is some interesting info from the site on metal foam.
>
> *A metallic foam or ceramic foam* is a cellular structure consisting of a
>> solid metal <http://www.americanelements.com/AEmetals.html> or 
>> ceramic<http://www.americanelements.com/Chloride_nitrate_etc_page.html> 
>> material
>> containing a large volume fraction of gas-filled pores. The pores can be
>> sealed, closed-cell foam, or they can form an interconnected network,
>> open-cell foam. The defining characteristic of these 
>> foams<http://www.americanelements.com/AEfoams.html> is
>> a very high porosity, typically 75-95% of the volume consisting of void
>> spaces. The strength of foamed material possesses a power law relationship
>> to its density, for example a 20% dense material is more than twice as
>> strong as a 10% dense material. Metallic foams typically retain some
>> physical properties of their base material. Foam made from non-flammable
>> metal <http://www.americanelements.com/AEmetals.html> will remain
>> non-flammable and the foam is generally recyclable back to its base
>> material. Coefficient of thermal expansion will also remain similar while
>> thermal conductivity is likely to be reduced.
>> *Open-Cell Metal Foams.* Open celled 
>> metal<http://www.americanelements.com/AEmetals.html> foams
>> are usually replicas using open-celled polyurethane foams as a skeleton.
>> These foams have found a wide variety of applications in heat exchangers,
>> energy absorption, flow diffusion and lightweight optics. Extremely
>> fine-scale open-cell foams are used as high-temperature filters in the
>> chemical industry. Metallic foams used in compact heat exchangers increase
>> the heat transfer at the cost of an additional pressure drop. However,
>> their use permits the physical size of a heat exchanger to be reduced
>> substantially, and therefore also the fabrication costs.
>> *Closed-Cell Metal Foams.*Closed-cell 
>> metal<http://www.americanelements.com/AEmetals.html> foams
>> have been developed since the 1950s, but although prototypes were
>> available, commercial production was started only in the 1990s.
>> Close-celled metal <http://www.americanelements.com/AEmetals.html> foams
>> are commonly made by injecting a gas or mixing a foaming agent into molten
>> metal <http://www.americanelements.com/AEmetals.html>. The material is
>> then stabilized using a high temperature foaming agent (usually nano- or
>> micrometer sized solid particles). The size of the pores, or cells, is
>> usually 1 to 8 mm. Closed-cell 
>> metal<http://www.americanelements.com/AEmetals.html> foams
>> are primarily used as an impact-absorbing material. Unlike many polymer
>> foams,metal <http://www.americanelements.com/AEmetals.html> foams remain
>> deformed after impact and can therefore only be used once. They are light,
>> typically 10-25% of the density of the 
>> metal<http://www.americanelements.com/AEmetals.html> they
>> are made of, which is usually 
>> aluminum<http://www.americanelements.com/al.html>,
>> and stiff. Closed-cell foams retain the fire resistant and recycling
>> capability of other metallic foams but add an ability to float in water.
>
>
> Wouldn't a closed-cell nickel foam with hydrogen in the closed cells be
> intriguing?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Teslaalset 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> I read some discussions on reversing polarity doing electrolysis with
>> contantan coins.
>>
>> This is actually an interesting topic.
>> Using alloys in oxidizing mode (coin = anode = +), whole surface of
>> the coin will oxidize.
>> Reversing polarity (coin = cathode = -) will have an interesting
>> effect on the oxidized alloy:
>> - first the oxidized 'most noble' metal will be reduced by combining
>> hydrogen en metal oxide, forming the original metal and H2O.
>> This will create local holes in the coin's surface where 'most noble'
>> metal clusters are present.
>> - second: the oxidized 'least noble' metal will not as easy be
>> re-combined to metal and water because this oxide has a stronger O-M
>> bond and won't re-combine with H2 as easy as the 'most noble' metal in
>> the alloy.
>> - repeating this cycle of revering polarity will creat tiny craters in
>> the surface of the coin's surface, leaving the most noble metal
>> (Nickel in this case) able to absorb Hydrogen in the coin-cathode
>> mode. This method could create the NAE's Edmund Storms is referring
>> to.
>>
>> This proces of oxidation of alloys and selective oxide removal is part
>> of a Dutch patent published in 1997 (NL1001123C2) which is cited in
>> Francesco Celani's patent published in Feb. 2012 (WO2011016014A2)
>> describing improving hydrogen absorbtion of Nickel nano structures.
>> Remember Celani is the one that demo'ed the Constantan setup.....so,
>> could this be his pre-treatment method of his Constantan wire?
>>
>>
>

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