Thanks, Jed,

You are implying that you don't believe that the stored Wigner effect energy per gram could be many orders of magnitude higher in Palladium (or Nickel, for that matter) than in graphite because of the 4eV per atom limit. Correct?

Please don't get me wrong - I am hoping that I can rule out the Wigner Effect as the source of the anomalies (to my own satisfaction). It would be very disappointing if CF/LENR turned out to be just an unreliable energy storage device.

Andy.

On 28/11/12 01:54, Jed Rothwell wrote:
"Accumulation of energy in irradiated graphite has been recorded as high as 2.7 kJ/g, but is typically much lower than this . . ."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigner_effect

Cold fusion cathodes of roughly 1 g have produced more than that in many cases, and in a few cases 50 to 150 MJ. In the debate between Fleischmann and Morrison I linked to, the cathode produced 1.1 MJ. As I recall it was small, probably ~1 g. Most of F&P's early cathodes were small.

The Wigner effect appears to be a form of mechanical storage, as near as I can tell. Generally speaking, when you talk about chemical or mechanical energy storage -- with electron bonds, in other words -- the upper limit is about 4 eV per atom of material. Store more than that and the molecules fall apart. You get plasma, I suppose. Cold fusion devices have produced hundreds to thousands of eV per atom, and the upper limit is unknown.

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