>From the info I have Wigner effect seems another bad excuse to reject more simple facts...
however if it was true, such a huge storage (still unreliable like many new technologies), would be a HUGE REVOLUTIOn in Science, in Engineering... like we expected for LENR, it is evident that such giant Wigner effect would lead to great application. If LENR is not true, one of the key to future energetic technologies is the storage. Finding a storage a hundred more dense than chemical storage, his MEGA HUGE REVOLUTION. so why those hypocritical who claim it is a Wigner effect dont CLAIM IT LOUD and launche a BIG PROJECT to harness it and CHANGE the WORLD ! of course it is false and they don't believe one word of what they say. in french we call that a "clivage" (clivage is the operation to cut a gemstone cleanly), a psychotic avatar of cognitive dissonance, when someone sincerely believe a myth but at the same time clearly know it is false and do all he can to protect this myth, to avoid facing it's contradiction, to protect his personality from collapse by facing his failures. If someone repeat that Wigner effect, tell him to launch a research project to check if he believe in what he says. same for any similare excuse. Whatever is F&P effect, it deserve a project. In metrology if it is measurement errors. In chemical science if it is chemical, or super chemical. In energy if it any kind of storage. In nuclear science if it is science. In psychiatry if it is groupthink and delusion. those who refuse to launch a study, are simply not believing their lies. 2012/11/28 Andy Findlay <[email protected]> > Thanks, Jed, > > You are implying that you don't believe that the stored Wigner effect > energy per gram could be many orders of magnitude higher in Palladium (or > Nickel, for that matter) than in graphite because of the 4eV per atom > limit. Correct? > > Please don't get me wrong - I am hoping that I can rule out the Wigner > Effect as the source of the anomalies (to my own satisfaction). It would be > very disappointing if CF/LENR turned out to be just an unreliable energy > storage device. > > Andy. > > > On 28/11/12 01:54, Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> "Accumulation of energy in irradiated graphite has been recorded as high >> as 2.7 kJ/g, but is typically much lower than this . . ." >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wigner_effect<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigner_effect> >> >> Cold fusion cathodes of roughly 1 g have produced more than that in many >> cases, and in a few cases 50 to 150 MJ. In the debate between Fleischmann >> and Morrison I linked to, the cathode produced 1.1 MJ. As I recall it was >> small, probably ~1 g. Most of F&P's early cathodes were small. >> >> The Wigner effect appears to be a form of mechanical storage, as near as >> I can tell. Generally speaking, when you talk about chemical or mechanical >> energy storage -- with electron bonds, in other words -- the upper limit is >> about 4 eV per atom of material. Store more than that and the molecules >> fall apart. You get plasma, I suppose. Cold fusion devices have produced >> hundreds to thousands of eV per atom, and the upper limit is unknown. >> > >
