Why de-oxygenated? Why is water not mentioned in the excerpt of Chan's recent posts on RWGResearch?
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 2:30 PM, neu tron <neu.t...@gmx.de> wrote: > Gentlemen, > De-oxygenated water is the super molecule. Really should be a gas. See > Chan recent posts on RWGResearch and summery copied from Form page 55-59: > > <SNIP> > What if.. > > What if we are all looking at this noble gas thing all wrong. Every > one, who has ever attempted to make this thing work over the past 30 plus > years, and everyone currently working on the thing - including BR and JR - > all looking at it wrong... > > We are all looking at making some sort of gas mixture expand, ie. from > normal to expanded. > > Suppose that's not how it works. There is another possibility. Suppose > we should be looking to make some sort of gas mixture contract, a normal > mixture, that after processing collapses to a smaller volume. The atoms > cluster together - not a molecular bond, that would take too much energy to > disassociate - but some sort of bond like Axil described when he was > talking about super-atoms. > > Imagine, for a moment, that when the gas mixture is properly > processed, it shrinks to a much smaller volume - for what ever reason - the > atoms cluster together... > > Then in the engine, the event at TDC (voltage discharge of some sort) > breaks the weak bonds, with a massive and almost instantaneous expansion in > volume. As the gas expands (as allowed in the engine - not allowed in the > pipe bomb) under the influence of a magnetic field (Papp had 3 coils - > rather large with many turns) then it contracts back to its condensed state > to start the cycle over again. > > Suppose the plug that Dr Feynman pulled from the wall operated the > cylinder coils (the engine still ran, so not all of the support electronics > were plugged in). Papp got very nervous - he knew that it could explode > soon, and violently - and it did. > > Put the condensed gas in an enclosed cylinder without the means to > expand (no piston) and without the magnetic coils to cause the contraction > - well that spells BOMB, see US3680431. > > We can't believe anything JR says - he is faking it, doesn't have a > clue how to make a nge engine run - he is doing research hoping to find the > answer before his next public show or stockholders meeting. > > But then there is this: > > http://dimensionalbliss.com/2011/08/06/p...planation/ > > In this video, if JR wasn't so caught up in his delusion of having an > actual running engine, he would have realized that he had actually > (re)discovered the critical missing link to the Papp process... > > Just some food for thought - I got to get back to my day job... > > kcd > > Oh, just one more thing. So why didn't Papp disclose this little > tidbit? Because the process is really freaking dangerous - loose control of > the engine process and it explodes - violently!! Papp wanted to get his > process accepted first, then inform folks of the negative attributes > later.. Of course, I could be completely wrong... > > > > Quote: What if we are all looking at this noble gas thing all wrong. > Everyone, who has ever attempted to make this thing work over the past 30 > plus years, and everyone currently working on the thing - including BR and > JR - all looking at it wrong... > > > It is true that the Papp process is a cycle in which expansion and > contraction of the noble gas mix is occurring. To understand the Papp > process, we must understand both the contraction phase of the Papp cycle as > well as the expansion phase. > > If the contraction phase of the current cycle is not successfully > engineered, then the expansion phase of the next cycle will not be > successful. > The noble gas mix must get back to the same quiescent state after each > cycle is completed. > > I believe that this quiescent state is characterized as an “uncharged > dialectic initial condition”. > > Quote: Suppose that's not how it works. There is another possibility. > Suppose we should be looking to make some sort of gas mixture contract, a > normal mixture that after processing collapses to a smaller volume. The > atoms cluster together - not a molecular bond that would take too much > energy to disassociate - but some sort of bond like Axil described when he > was talking about super-atoms. > > > Imagine, for a moment, that when the gas mixture is properly > processed, it shrinks to a much smaller volume - for whatever reason - the > atoms cluster together... > > > I believe that power is produced in both the contraction phase as well as > the expansion phase of the Papp cycle. > > So far, what Russ has showed us is just the power produced by the > expansion phase of the cycle. He has not yet engineered the controls for > the contraction phase of the Papp cycle. > > When Russ adds that control logic for the contraction phase of the Papp > cycle, the power produced will double, the cycle will be repeatable and in > a rapidly cyclic fashion. > > To reiterate at this juncture, Russ has shown us a “one off” expansion of > the first half of the first cycle. > > The question you might now ask is what controls the contraction of the > noble gas mix. And how do we maximize the power produced by that > contraction. > > I believe that this contraction is controlled by rapidly draining the > charge injected into the noble gas mix by the spark discharge. > > This charge is removed by the feedback current. > > If you remember, Russ first saw this current in action when his diodes > blew out because his insolating spark gap was too small. > > The charge that produces this current is what causes the green florescent > glow of the helium gas. > > This glow was seen is the "Christmas glass experiment" that Russ > performed, if you remember. > > Bob Rohner uses this current to run a small motor. And Papp used this > feedback current to power the next cylinder in his engine. > > The timing of the draining of the feedback current is how we can control > the speed of the Papp cycle. > > John Rohner does not think that the feedback current is important and does > not drain it; this is a reason why I think John Rohner does not yet have a > working Papp engine concept. > <END> > > What say Axil, adds up with some of your posts. > > Cheers, > > Newt > >
