Rossi could have seen some strange excess heat behavior of its Petrodragon reactor. Then he decided to look at it a bit more in details (without especially looking for a LENR reaction). The rubber (which contains a lot of Sulfur) was a fetch of its Petrodragon reactor. I'm just speculating here. Did Rossi need a lubricant in the petrodragon reactor? Were there moving parts?
In a Defkalion presentation, I remember that there was a dashboard in the background of a picture. In that board, a hexavalent look like molecule was designed. Could it be H6S? I'm speculating as well here. _____________________________________________ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: samedi 6 avril 2013 23:08 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:April 2013 Defkalion GT Interview Most interesting. This is a provocative observation that the Petrodragon reactor used the Bergius process, Arnaud. It would be even more interesting if we knew for sure what catalysts specifically that Rossi was using there. All of the transition metals listed in the Wiki entry on Bergius are Mills catalysts. Molybdenum, in fact, is the closest fit of all transition metals to 27.2 under Mills Theory - when it goes from Mo2+ -> Mo3+ (27.13 eV) and the sulfides would facilitate that ionic transition since they are so reactive with hydrogen. For instance, if we knew for sure that Rossi was adding MoS2 - which is a commonly used catalyst in the petrochemical industry (but better known as a dry lubricant), then that is strong indication that this particular catalyst found its way into the E-Cat (along with scrap rubber ??) There is a fair chance that Andrea Rossi discovered the heat anomaly first with the Petrodragon reactor before moving on to a smaller version. I have never heard this particular suggestion voiced before now, but it makes sense, no? The E-cat is simply a little Petrodragon reactor. LOL. That would explain its very crude construction in the first models, and the large amount of exterior gunk seen on them. If you have ever used molybdenum disulfide, you know what I am talking about. _____________________________________________ From: Arnaud Kodeck Jones, Your theory below might explain also what Rossi has told a bit 2 years ago: Some xRay are absorbed. Some EM fields are "escaping" his eCat. Moreover, in Pedrodragon, Rossi used Nickel, Hydrogen in the Bergius process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergius_process). Sodium, potassium, and magnesium were also compounds that were fetching the Bergius reactor. Similarly Mills uses Sodium or potassium to create the hydrinos. How the Celani's wire can be fitted into this theory ? Arnaud _____________________________________________ From: Jones Beene Eric, "Defkalion's description of the reaction is still consistent with there being copious soft x-rays that are being blocked by the housing of the reactor" Yes - you have probably heard Robin and myself and a few others suggesting that the EUV spectrum is the most likely source of energetic radiation that will be seen in any Ni-H reaction which resembles Mills. And all of them do resemble Mills/BLP - at least AFAIK. Mills was seeing UV 20 years ago, so it is not new. Some few gammas can probably be seen when redundancy becomes extreme, but he says that most of the output is UV. Mills has never reported gammas, it should be noted... but then again, he has turned a blind eye to anything which is suggestive of a nuclear explanation. This UV radiation spectrum is because of the Rydberg energy multiples of 27.2 eV, 54.4 eV, and 108.8 eV etc. which happen in ground state redundancy. These are in the UV/EUV range, but the upper end of that range can be called "soft x-rays" -even if that is misleading, in a way. Mills claims the energy comes from the electron orbitals of the catalyst "holes". This does not mean that RM got everything right however, and Robin has already made a few changes of note (on his site) that seem to work better. As to applying or integrating Mills to other theories, at least in the context of the dynamics of redundant orbitals and UV emission, this has been largely avoided except by Arie de Geus (deceased). There is always room for compromise however, if one is not tied too closely to either camp. In an evolving theory of RPF, it dawns on me just now that it is possible to merge with a partial Mills explanation... so here goes. First, the reaction has chemical dynamics which proceed somewhat as Mills suggests, but instead of the energy coming from loss of electron momentum (angular momentum) the energy comes directly from mass-to-energy conversion in the proton nucleus via magnons. In fact, it is the "shrinkage" of the orbital that provides the asymmetry which is needed in RPF in order to extract net energy from a neutral reaction - which can be either endothermic or exothermic in QCD. RPF can then be described as providing first the endotherm to allow for the shrinkage, with then the exotherm is coming immediately thereafter from magnon coupling, instead of UV. There could be a bit of both. Hey, I could almost convince myself that this is a good fit. The best evidence for this, and possibly a partial proof, would come from a finding that there is not nearly enough UV to provide the excess heat which is seen, and secondly that the heat seen is via inductive coupling (requiring a ferromagnetic matrix). Thanks for the segue. Jones From: Eric Walker Where did you get the idea that soft x-rays were not harmful? In fact they are deadly, but not instantly deadly, if that makes them slightly less problematic. The thought did occur to me after I pressed "send" that given a sufficient flux, you could end up cooking yourself before too long. My remarks about soft x-rays were ambiguous -- I could have meant that they do not pose safety concerns when shielded by the kind of housing that a reactor will typically have, or I could have meant that they are benign in general. My actual meaning was to suggest that they might be benign in general (without shielding). As someone who knows nothing about nuclear physics, I feel at liberty to make one or two embarrassing comments. ;) Sterling Allan, whom you quote - is a tireless PR person and promoter in the PT Barnum tradition - but not a scientist. Even Hadjichristos, listed as CTO of Defkalion has given no indication of being literate in several important scientific fields. My apologies for the confusion -- I didn't intend to offer Allan or Hadjichristos as authorities. The quote was meant to provide another data point and does not give anything to base any conclusions on. But it is interesting to note that if the quote is half accurate, Defkalion's description of the reaction is still consistent (?) with there being copious soft x-rays that are being blocked by the housing of the reactor. Eric
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