The 70% is just the Carnot efficiency:  (1-T1/T0) where T0 is the
combustion chamber Kelvin temperature and T1 is the exhaust's.

That has to be discounted by the efficiency of the EHD conversion -- which
is the big question here.


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:58 PM, David Lautenschlager <
[email protected]> wrote:

> H2O gas is a much stronger green house gas than CO2(though shorter lived
> in the atmosphere). Fortunately most of it is condensed in this case, so
> even if you class green house gasses as pollutants, the exhaust is closer
> to 5% than 60% pollutants.(of course, classing respiration gasses as
> pollutants is rather irrational).
>
> Is the 70% efficiency fuel to electricity? That seems high.
>
> Dave
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* James Bowery <[email protected]>
> *To:* vortex-l <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:17 AM
>
> *Subject:* [AR] Rocket Driven Lord Kelvin's Thunderstorm
>
> Given the below results from the rocket propellant simulator:
>
> http://rocketworkbench.sourceforge.net/equil.phtml
>
> We have an air+methane+water fuel mixture rocket expelling droplets of
> liquid water travelling at 1305m/s with a Carnot efficiency of about 70%.
>
> If you take two such rocket engines and put them in place of the water
> droplets of a Lord Kelvin's Thunderstorm, you have would would appear to be
> an electrohydrodynamic DC power station with the following rather
> characteristics:
>
> * very high voltage
> * high power to weight
> * reasonably efficient
> * burns a fuel that is cheap for at least the next several years
> * NOx in sub-ppm as the only pollutant other than CO2 (which is a green
> house gas)
> * might even be used as water treatment.
> * the only moving parts are the compressors
> * very little touble with cooling capacity given the H2O mass flow rate
> * with additional downstream equipment might be tuned to treat water as a
> side job
>
> Sorry for the cross-post to vortex-l as well as arocket but this is up
> Beatty's (vortex-l's) alley and certainly involves small scale liquid
> rocketry.
> Results
>
> Propellant composition
> Code  Name                                mol    Mass (g)  Composition
> 976   WATER                               512.0000 9223.8235   2H  1O
> 578   METHANE                             55.0000 882.3353   1C  4H
> 15    AIR (DRY AT SEA LEVEL)              1.0000 15479.2332   835N  224O  5AR
> Density :  2.261 g/cm^3
> 5 different elements
> H  O  C  N  AR
> Total mass:  25585.392031 g
> Enthalpy  : -5907.12 kJ/kg
>
> 149 possible gazeous species
> 3 possible condensed species
>
>                        CHAMBER      THROAT        EXIT
> Pressure (atm)   :     100.000      54.524       1.000
> Temperature (K)  :     851.960     741.912     273.659
> H (kJ/kg)        :   -5907.117   -6079.928   -6758.571
> U (kJ/kg)        :   -6212.081   -6345.499   -6856.528
> G (kJ/kg)        :  -13075.582  -12322.436   -9061.163
> S (kJ/(kg)(K)    :       8.414       8.414       8.414
> M (g/mol)        :      23.228      23.228      23.228
> (dLnV/dLnP)t     :    -1.00000    -1.00000    -1.00000
> (dLnV/dLnT)p     :     1.00000     1.00000     1.00000
> Cp (kJ/(kg)(K))  :     1.59515     1.54548     1.37312
> Cv (kJ/(kg)(K))  :     1.23719     1.18752     1.01517
> Cp/Cv            :     1.28933     1.30143     1.35261
> Gamma            :     1.28933     1.30143     1.35261
> Vson (m/s)       :   627.05454   587.89672   355.38692
>
> Ae/At            :                 1.00000     9.06046
> A/dotm (m/s/atm) :                 8.28502    75.06605
> C* (m/s)         :               828.50159   828.50159
> Cf               :                 0.70959     1.57508
> Ivac (m/s)       :              1039.62801  1380.02098
> Isp (m/s)        :               587.89672  1304.95492
> Isp/g (s)        :                59.94878   133.06837
>
> Molar fractions
>
> Ar                    4.5393e-03  4.5393e-03  4.5393e-03
> CO2                   4.9932e-02  4.9932e-02  4.9932e-02
> H2O                   5.6468e-01  5.6468e-01  5.6468e-01
> NO                    2.9860e-07  2.9860e-07  2.9860e-07
> NO2                   5.0825e-08  5.0825e-08  5.0825e-08
> N2                    3.7903e-01  3.7903e-01  3.7903e-01
> O2                    1.8155e-03  1.8155e-03  1.8155e-03
>
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