Robin,
Nice analogy of HUP [snip] ...yes but as I said before, the "enforcers" from 
the Bank of Heisenberg are
real thugs (baseball bats are standard issue. ;)[/snip].. and I will apply it 
to ZPE and what these "thugs" do when the geometry confinement tries to curtail 
the  "random" direction of their beatings.... It also makes a nice visual for 
the force behind the relativistic interpretation of the hydrino where 
space-time reforms so the thugs do have enough room to beat the hydrinos 
equally in all directions or from a Casimir interpretation the longer vacuum 
wavelengths are actually still present but now appear shorter to us so they can 
still fit in the cavity due to a symmetrical form of Lorentzian contraction 
[contracting along the time axis it shrinks equally on all 3 spatial axis].. no 
energy gain or loss due to translation if all else is kept constant but I am 
convinced it can be harnessed if some form of asymmetrical treatment is applied 
between the hydrogen atoms  on the inward vs outward translations. The geometry 
accelerates and decelerates the gas atoms for free and we have to supply the 
recipe that reacts differently to these conditions so that HUP opposes the 
translation.. in my favorite theory it actually discounts the disassociation 
threshold of H2 such that H1 forms and then immediately reforms H2 and gives 
off more heat energy than was required to break it apart because of the 
discount. Naiveté perhaps, but still a good example of how the difference in 
suppression geometry could be exploited.. and another interpretation of the 
force that Storms coined " NAE". I don't think COE is violated by ZPE but 
rather the environment makes an exception to the rule that HUP always cancels 
out..at the macro scale we have isotropy that enforces COE but in Cavity QED 
the isotropy is broken.... 
http://th-www.if.uj.edu.pl/acta/vol27/pdf/v27p2409.pdf
Regards
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:48 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:The Mexican hat


I went through the binding energy calculation for



Ni62 -> Cu62 -> 5.2703255625 MeV energy gain

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:36 AM, 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:07:31 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>*(The fact that we get so little is enshrined in the "law" of conservation
>of
>energy.)*
>
>The elctroweak force produces a 91 GeV W- particle out of the Higgs field.
>
>How can that happen when there is a  "law" of conservation of
>energy? Well my friends it happens all the time. That is what the Higgs
>field does.
...yes but as I said before, the "enforcers" from the Bank of Heisenberg are
real thugs (baseball bats are standard issue. ;)

IOW you can borrow a large amount of energy, but only for a very short time, and
the amount borrowed is directly related to the repayment time. The more you
borrow, the shorter the term.

Now you want to take out a loan, and skip the country.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

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