On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Joshua Cude <joshua.c...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>> But when they use 3-phase, when single would do, when the wiring is in
>> place ahead of time, when close associates chose the instruments which are
>> completely inadequate, when the blank run uses different conditions, when
>> the input timing is determined from a video tape, and when the claim is as
>> unlikely as cheese-power, it is ok to be suspicious.
>>
>
> Yes.  Some of these things legitimately raise questions.  No one is
> claiming the experiment was ironclad.  With sufficient information of what
> transpired, there is a possibility that it was done quite well, despite
> doubts that people may have.  What we have now is a second draft of the
> writeup, dropped into the Internet.
>
> The three-phase power seems like a nonissue to me.
>

I disagree. I can see no need for it to supply thermal energy at 1 kW or
less. And it does complicate measurement, and open possibilities for
deception. It also forces the experimenters to use a particular mains line,
which if tampered with, would not be detected by any other instrumentation.
And it makes available much higher input power. It's like using a 500 kW
generator to power a megacat with 500 kW claimed output. It invites
suspicion in a demonstration that was supposed to be designed to eliminate
suspicion.



> The instruments were not necessarily inadequate if they were used in
> conjunction with other ones.
>


No other ones were reported in the paper, which was written to validate the
claims.



>  We have already heard that Hartmann checked the voltage on the line.
>


I thought he was just talking about the voltage readings from the 830,
which don't add much. I haven't been able to keep up though. Maybe I missed
something.



> That would have required stripping it of the shielding, which would have
> revealed any cheese power trickery.
>
>
>

Not so. Tinsel also checked voltages and continuity and frequency in the
second video without revealing the trick.

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