Mark: What an incredibly unkind remark! Does it represent Vorts, or just your own viewpoint? And if it was so incredibly easy to see the answer, why didn't you post it before now?
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Jones!**** > > Great discussions going on now that the bar has been cleared of any > trolls! J**** > > Just wish I had more time to have a drink with fellow Vorts…**** > > ** ** > > “Since the walls of this chamber are vibrating at 500 K, then there is > really no distinct “chamber” available in 3-space that can exclude some > kind of physical interaction… >>>since the excursion of the walls is > greater than the enclosed volume.<<<”**** > > ** ** > > Not sure I understand that statement… pls clarify?**** > > ** ** > > “… since the excursion of the walls is greater than the enclosed volume.”* > *** > > ** ** > > This assumes that the NAE are all less than a few atom diameters in size… > I reject that. Why couldn’t they be 10s or 100s of atoms across? In > addition, there MUST be a physical/size limit to the extent (‘excursion’) > of the electron ‘clouds’ of the wall atoms. Beyond that, there would only > be E/B-fields, and as far as I know, E/B fields do not have a temperature; > do not absorb and emit photons. It sure is dark way down in this wabbit > hole! Somebody care to shed some visible wavelength photons on this > thought experiment? **** > > ** ** > > Could the wall atoms emit thermal (IR) photons (hell, any photons for that > matter) which fly across the NAE only to be absorbed by the opposite > wall??? I imagine its possible, however, my sense is that the heat quanta > of the wall atoms have a much lower resistance path to their neighboring > lattice atoms than emitting photons into the voids. Thus, **IF** the > void’s physical size is more than a few atom diameters, it does present a > perfect vacuum chamber at 0K; and Ed’s model posits that there is some > mid-point area where the wall atom electron E-flds will balance so any H+ > diffusing into the NAE ends up at this central locale… resulting in a more > or less a linear arrangement of hydrotons.**** > > ** ** > > If the NAE is only a few atoms across and elongated, then we end up with > Ed’s model… I think I‘ve got that right.**** > > However, if it is more than a few atoms across and more or less > oval/spherical, then there may be room for 2D or 3D clusters of H+.**** > > Can both facilitate LENR effects, or just one?**** > > ** ** > > -Mark Iverson **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:46 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:BEC transforms photon frequency**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint **** > > ** ** > > You may not have followed the thread I started, ‘Of NAEs and Nothingness’… > **** > > It was like pulling teeth, but I think Ed and I established some common > ground that when a ‘dislocation’ or void forms in the host material, and * > *before** any H or D diffuses into this void, it is a (near perfect) > vacuum. There could be E or B fields present, but those are not ‘matter’, > so the NAE is essentially a ‘vacuum chamber’ at 0K, and likely better than > anything that our hi-tech vacuum pumps can produce. Is this not the kind > of ‘chamber’ which could support the formation of BECs???**** > > ** ** > > Hmmm… This is the kind of chamber which may be a gateway into 4-space. > Perhaps that is what Cavity QED is all about anyway. Since the walls of > this chamber are vibrating at 500 K, then there is really no distinct > “chamber” available in 3-space that can exclude some kind of physical > interaction … since the excursion of the walls is greater than the enclosed > volume. **** > > ** ** > > I always end up regretting it when Hotson’s Dirac interpretation enters > the discussion … not just because it is surely as close to correct as > anything out there, but also because it is so difficult to explain that in > the end… everyone walks away frustrated.**** > > ** ** >
