Axil,
It doesn't! it merely provides the environment where these
other theories can exist. It provides a potential energy source that doesn't
exist at the macro scale. In this relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect
local gas atoms remain unaware of their inertial frame and react normally.
Gas atoms and molecules diffuse between a host of different inertial frames
inside the tapestry of the cavity without any external energy applied, they
ride currents between the square law derived isotropic "pressure" and locally
suppressed values derived on the inverse cube of the spacing geometry.. as long
as the cavity is equal to or smaller than the Casimir threshold the macro
isotropy is broken and there is, IMHO, a persistent pressure differential
/current between the various regions. My posit is that this opposition between
the isotropic square law and the Casimir inverse cube law can be exploited by
confined gases to produce usable energy. I think that the lock stepped motion
of heavily loaded gas in a lattice and the redundant orbitals of gas in the
cavities should be considered a resonant circuit based on the 20% entanglement
principle. The lockstep motion in the lattice is initially random but as it
links to fractional hydrogen inside the cavities it starts to synchronize
changes between the fractional values in the cavity. These fractional orbitals
then become the metronomes that synchronize through the "platform" of loaded
gas in the lattice, eventually causing the lockstep motion and synchronizing
the change of state of these fractional atoms/molecules between different
fractional values across the bulk of the powder.
Fran
From: Axil Axil [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:19 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BEC transforms photon frequency
How does this theory select nickel with and even number of protons and an even
number of neutrons as the feedstock for LENR?
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Roarty, Francis X
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Guys,
I think the redundant ground states make a big difference to temperature when
gas loads heavily into these confined regions, the clusters that form in these
cavities exist in a region where longer vacuum wavelengths are excluded. This
is exactly opposite to gas atoms with near luminal velocity appearing to slow
down time from our perspective because these atoms are traveling along the
hypotenuse between time and space from our stationary perspective. In the same
way time is occurring must faster for these gas atoms inside the casimir
cavity. They are physically confined to tiny spatial velocities but unlike
other confinement mediums Casimir geometry reduces longer vacuum wavelengths
..instead of slowing time along the hypotenuse as in the typical relativistic
scenario, this "shielding" accelerates time by reducing the average length of
these virtual pairs. If the unit time is reduced while at the same time the
atom motion is physically confined into a cluster then temperature may be much
lower from our perspective, related to these fractional values. IMHO this is
what Naudt's meant in his paper framing the hydrino as relativistic hydrogen
-not the near luminal hydrogen ejected from the suns corona but rather the
negative, shielded hydrogen provided by nano geometry.
Fran
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:29 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:BEC transforms photon frequency
Dave:
Yes, the process of forming a BEC requires that atoms either shed quanta of
energy, and/or, the more energetic atoms bounce out of the 'trap', leaving only
the cooler ones... the walls of the trap can be lowered a little at a time to
repeat this process until only the coldest atoms remain.
"But temperature is defined by kinetic energy relative to an observer..."
Well, perhaps that is one way that temperature is described, however, I don't
think it applies here... let me explain another view.
When you shrink oneself down to the size of a single atom, isolated from
everything else can still be
Let's start with a *single* atom at *0K*, isolated from anything else; i.e.,
in a perfect vacuum chamber. This atom will be pretty much still, and only a
very minor tendency to move, but NOT due to any *internal* energy; but due to
its being jostled around by the vacuum (zero-point energy). For our
discussion, it could be considered motionless. Why? Because when one removes
all thermal energy from an atom, the harmonic relationships between its
constituent subatomic particles are in perfect balance; all its internal
oscillators are in harmonious resonance (geez, that sounds soooo newage
wooo-wooo), thus, all momentum vectors (forces) of those oscillators are
balanced so the atom is pretty much motionless. ADD just a single quantum of
heat, and that quantum gets absorbed into only ONE internal oscillator at a
time, causing momentum imbalance, and that is what causes the atom to begin
vibrating. The more heat quanta added, the more the internal oscillators are
out of balance and the more the atom vibrates.
The idea that an atom at any temperature above 0K MUST have a
linear/translational velocity is NOT always the case... it is possible to
restrain an atom and add heat quanta to it without it shooting off in a given
direction... add enough heat to it and yes, it will break away from what's
restraining it (E or B fields) and go shooting off... but again, we're talking
the near perfect chamber (~0K) condition.
Add heat to Ed's linear arrangement of hydrotons in that elongated vacuum
chamber, and the entire ensemble will begin to oscillate along whatever axis
represents the least resistance - most likely the longest axis of the chamber.
-Mark Iverson
From: David Roberson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:59 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BEC transforms photon frequency
If a perfect vacuum is defined as an area of space that has no particles of the
normal types such as atoms, protons, neutrons or electrons then you appear to
have found one. I believe that BECs also require that the temperature be very
nearly zero K among the interacting particles. But temperature is defined by
kinetic energy relative to an observer and so a single particle is at rest when
watched by a frame moving in the same manner. So, the first piece of the BEC
is fine, but when the second particle and following ones are added, you would
need to find a way to eliminate their relative velocities which generally
requires very precise cooling.
In our environment, there are at least a couple of serious problems to overcome
in order for a BEC to operate. First, I am not confident that enough space is
available to cram more than a few Ds into the NAE. Second, even if you were
able to cool the Ds by some means they would be banged around by the metal
crystal atoms continuously and hence reheated. If I recall many of the
observations used to prove that they were formed could only be made at near
absolute zero. Motion destroyed the wave nature of the BEC system.
For these and other reasons mentioned recently by Ed, I suspect that BEC
activity is not a main contributor to what we are seeing. The jury is still
out concerning other coupling behavior such as by entanglement. I have been
searching for some process that allows energy to be shared among many during
one fusion reaction. This might work both ways....operating together the
coulomb barrier may be much lower to a group of Ps or Ds.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2013 2:28 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:BEC transforms photon frequency
Jones,
You may not have followed the thread I started, 'Of NAEs and Nothingness'...
It was like pulling teeth, but I think Ed and I established some common ground
that when a 'dislocation' or void forms in the host material, and *before* any
H or D diffuses into this void, it is a (near perfect) vacuum. There could be
E or B fields present, but those are not 'matter', so the NAE is essentially a
'vacuum chamber' at 0K, and likely better than anything that our hi-tech vacuum
pumps can produce. Is this not the kind of 'chamber' which could support the
formation of BECs???
Let's continue on with that line of reasoning...
When any atom enters the NAE, the only energy it has is what it brings with it.
The E or B fields within would likely cause the atom to align itself with
those fields to reach a minimal energy orientation. If the fields serve to
(physically?) restrict atomic motion or size or shape, then that could initiate
photon emission of some of the thermal energy which the atom had when it
entered the NAE... If enough thermal energy is shed, and this happens to a
number of such atoms in the NAE, they would spontaneously form a BEC.
In the BEC experiments that I've read, they use laser and/or *magnetic*
evaporative cooling to reduce the temp of the atoms until, at some threshold
temp (in the nanoKelvins), they coalesce into the BEC. Condensation of
magnons has occurred at 14K (see excerpt below), which is orders of magnitude
higher than with the usual BEC setup (atomic gases).
Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry on BECs:
"The Bose-Einstein condensation also applies to quasiparticles in solids. A
magnon in an antiferromagnet carries spin 1 and thus obeys Bose-Einstein
statistics. The density of magnons is controlled by an external magnetic field,
which plays the role of the magnon chemical potential. This technique provides
access to a wide range of boson densities from the limit of a dilute Bose gas
to that of a strongly interacting Bose liquid. [EMPHASIS] A magnetic ordering
observed at the point of condensation is the analog of superfluidity. In 1999
Bose condensation of magnons was demonstrated in the antiferromagnet
TlCuCl3.[18] The condensation was observed at *temperatures as large as 14 K*.
Such a high transition temperature (relative to that of atomic gases) is due to
the greater density achievable with magnons and the smaller mass (roughly equal
to the mass of an electron). In 2006, condensation of magnons in ferromagnets
was even shown at room temperature,[19][20] where the authors used pumping
techniques."
Still haven't found the bottom of the rabbit hole...
;-)
Relevant links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose-Einstein_condensate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_evaporative_cooling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_cooling
-Mark Iverson
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]?>]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:53 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:BEC transforms photon frequency
From: Edmund Storms
I'm saying that BEC is known to form near absolute zero but has not been shown
to form BETWEEN ATOMS at higher temperatures. People have PROPOSED BEC
formation at high temperature between energy states but this has not been fully
demonstrated or shown to apply to atoms.
I will go further than Ed on this one. The BEC simply CANNOT form at higher
than absolute zero in real matter- and certainly not at several hundred degrees
C. There is a pretty good thread on Slashdot on this subject, and it is almost
by definition.
Polaritons are not real matter. That these are only an abstraction should be
obvious to all ... but apparently, it has not registered with a few of us that
polaritons are imaginary "quasiparticles" - and although they may be useful as
descriptive aids for how collective systems operate in practice, including LENR
- they are fictitious.
You do not need a physics text to understand the implications of higher
temperature BECs in real matter - a "Cat's Cradle" will suffice, thanks to a
fabulous old metaphor.
So - even if you can find a paper on room temperature BECs in polaritons or
magnons (my favorite quasiparticle for LENR), there are no paper for BEC real
matter significantly above absolute zero. At least none that I know of - and
in general, it should be obvious that if this kind of condensation could happen
with real particles in real-world situations, then we (humanity) would be in
trouble.
Common sense should tell you - if this could happen easily - it is the
proto-typical "Ice-nine" syndrome...
On the one hand, Ice-nine is what would put the "cold" back into cold fusion,
but thankfully or sadly, depending on your PoV, quasiparticles are not
particles.
Jones
