My NAE question... If you follow the conclusions in the Nagel poster/paper on craters presented in the poster section of ICCF-18 This paper talked about the energy necessary to make the craters that seem to be a feature of "active" cathodes
Given that paper I will make some assumptions : 1)At least 10^6 reactions occur in one local area to make a cathode crater. (This assumes ~24MEv per reaction lower energy reactions would increase this number) 2)I find it hard to imagine any physical NAE configuration/construction of lattice crack etc that could: a)Survive that much energy. b)Manage to get 10^6 sets of reaction productions in place and remove 10^6 units of ash. So given this simple paper I find it hard to not conclude that NAE active regions are either Groups of mutually oscillators with reinforcing resonances... causing batch activity... Some sort of chain reaction that occurs. Note that the speed of nuclear reactions vs the speed of sound in the lattice would allow some combination of a special environment and chain reaction to both be true as the nuclear chain reaction would propagate before the special lattice region could be destroyed. Are these assumptions off base? On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Arnaud Kodeck <arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be>wrote: > Axil, > There is no plasma pulse in the rossi reactor ! > Quoting Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>: > > Testing. >> >> What both builders of the Ni/H reactor have done is to find the proper >> pulse rate for the plasma creation reaction through trial and error >> testing. >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:29 AM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> >> wrote: >> >> Axil, >>> >>> You discuss the destruction and reformation of NAE over a finite period >>> of time. Do you think that there is some negative feedback mechanism in >>> effect which forces the new formations to match the old ones that have >>> been >>> destroyed? It seems logical that a process that does not have a direct >>> connection between production and destruction of NAE would proceed to >>> either thermal run away or ultimate cool down. >>> >>> I suppose that a process might originate where elevated temperature >>> results in that destruction being enhanced, particularly in the hot >>> spots. >>> The question is: What keeps the process in balance according to your >>> hypothesis? >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> >>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>> Sent: Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:23 am >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: about the Nuclear Active Environment >>> >>> LENR is driven by a specific topology that directs electrons into the >>> special motions and concentrations which result in the LENR reaction. >>> >>> >>> Cracks are a good example of this topology in that through the >>> discontinuity of the lattice that a crack provides, dipole motion meets a >>> boundary condition that forces electrons to follow a circular path as a >>> vortex electron currents forms. >>> >>> This dislocation of dipole motion must occur at the surface of a metal >>> at the boundary between the metal a dielectric isolator. >>> >>> >>> The downside of a permanent lattice structure like a crack is that it >>> will deteriorate over time due to the stresses placed on its topology as >>> nuclear reactions occur in and around this boundary location. >>> >>> >>> The crack will erode over time and the special conditions that cause the >>> electrons to behave in this special way will no longer be preserved over >>> extended time. >>> >>> >>> But discontinuities in dipole movement will also occur between >>> nano-particles and micro particles. >>> >>> >>> These discontinuities will be continually reformed and dispersed in a >>> dynamic process as the particles float and bump around in the turbulent >>> motion of a hot hydrogen atmosphere. >>> >>> >>> These nanoparticles will also be destroyed by nuclear activity, but that >>> can be occasionally rebuilt out of the condensation process after the >>> plasma stage produced by a hot heater element or a spark discharge. >>> >>> >>> In this way, the NAE, is continually rebuilt at a fixed rate that >>> exactly counters the rate of destruction caused in these particles by >>> nuclear activity. >>> >>> >>> The effective LENR reaction is a fluid process of continual destruction >>> and renewal that any solid structure cannot duplicate. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com >>> >wrote: >>> >>> Terry, the problem is psychological, not scientific. Understanding CF >>>> requires a change in perspective, which is hard for many people to do. >>>> You >>>> need to look at the system in which the nuclear reaction occurs from the >>>> perspective of the assembly of atoms, i.e. like a chemist does. The >>>> chemical system os constructed by interaction of the electrons and this >>>> interaction has very clear rules. Any change required to initiate a >>>> nuclear >>>> reaction will be communicated to this assembly and cause changes before >>>> the >>>> change will be experienced by the nucleus. That process provides the >>>> basic >>>> limitation to any mechanism proposed to occur in the lattice itself. In >>>> other words, to cause a nuclear effect, the chemical structure will >>>> also be >>>> affected in ways that will stop the nuclear process. This is how a >>>> chemical >>>> system is known to behave based on centuries of experience by chemists >>>> and >>>> by examining material over geological time. A change in perspective is >>>> REQUIRED before a person can fully appreciate the role of the chemical >>>> system. That is why a condition must be created outside of the rules >>>> that >>>> apply to the chemical system. The region INSIDE a crack provides this >>>> environment. Events occurring in this region would not affect or be >>>> affected by the chemical structure, hence could form a condition able to >>>> initiate a nuclear reaction. This is a very basic insight that cannot be >>>> "falsified" in the usual way. It requires a change in perspective to be >>>> evaluated. >>>> >>>> This situation is similar to how the relationship between the Sun and >>>> Earth was once explained, A change in perspective was required before >>>> the >>>> correct analysis could be done. Before this change in perspective >>>> occurred, >>>> very convincing mathematical analysis showed that the Sun circled the >>>> Earth, as was obvious to any casual observer. The tools available at the >>>> time could not falsify this concept. >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 20, 2013, at 7:02 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Sunil Shah <s.u.n....@hotmail.com> >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ed, >>>>>> >>>>>> A long time ago, in Solid State Physics, I read about various types of >>>>>> Dislocations in crystals (grains). Are they the NAEs? They move with >>>>>> applied/internal stress/pressure. >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Dislocation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Dislocation> >>>>>> <http://en.**wikipedia.org/wiki/Dislocation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dislocation> >>>>>> **> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Wikipedia has a good article on defects in crystals: >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Crystallographic_defect<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Crystallographic_defect> >>>>> <http:**//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Crystallographic_defect<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystallographic_defect> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But many think that no defect is required in the crystal structure for >>>>> LENR. >>>>> >>>>> There are strong arguments for both but, as yet, I have not seen one >>>>> that was demonstrably falsifiable with today's tools and technology. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > >
