It seems a good point. The industrial revolution worked because it was giving a place in the new industrial world to anybody having been in school, able to read, write and tighten a bolt.
my idea is that the future is not in the hightech industry, because it will be what I call "heroic jobs", jobs for exceptional people... not for the mass... my idea is that the solution will be in the human to human service. Even unqualified jobs, like floor cleaning, will be taken by robots... call center will disapeak because of internet, of volac server, and when it does not work ther will be a need of human-to-human service, coaching, care, company... afteral today an accountant is not ther to make addition, not even to optimize the accounting (there are software) but to explain to the boss what he should do, when he does not understand why... there will be job to serve people in leisure time... to guide people in the sahara, in the himalaya, in Paris... not as a GPS but as a friend. in a way imagining that robots do the work, some heroic engineers, researchers, have fun designing the next generation of robots, some courageous doctors and nurses taking care of others like nun or offshore-drilling engineers, for their lifetime, or for a short period before retreat... then normal people take half of their time to work in a tourism agency as skydiver monitor, cyclist guide, canoe pilot... with good and bad moments (that is work, not fun). and the other half of their time, they enjoy skydive, bicycling , canoe.... with guides and ... Of course they will work for the heroes who work for thei survival, proposing them a very comfortable life, but normal people will enjoy also a good life... not so different from today... but today goods are more important, and services are underdevelopped. one problem is also that often less educated people in western individualist democracies, lack some basic social competences, needed to serve others people. Another problem is that service jobs, like nurses are not enough paid compared to more funny jobs... maybe the unconditional salary is not adapted to that situation, since then everybody will easily find a minimal work, even if it cannot pay some leisure... Not sure... the idea for me is that the salary should pay for all that is needed, for anybody... but not for the luxury... not the goods, but the services... is the robot revolution so different from the steam-machine revolution, the horse revolution, the oild revolution ? 2013/10/21 Randy wuller <[email protected]> > ** > I have watched this discussion this weekend and have purposely stayed out > of the fray since these issues seem to generate strong emotion from many. > > However, I really think that one must drill down to the cause of the > problem or the solution will continue to evade us. And the cause has > nothing to do with MONEY, nothing to do with GOVERNMENT and everything to > do with automation. It is a delusion to believe America ever had POLICIES > (anymore than today) to safeguard or act as a safety net for middle class > America. In the past lots of people were needed to produce the things we > wanted, so they had some worth. > > The truth is as people have continued to become less and less important to > the production of goods and now even services, measuring what we allocate > to them based on their worth (as measured by production) has also > decreased. That isn't going to change. In fact, the day will come when > machines will be better Doctors and Nurses, better Lawyers and Businessmen, > better at almost everything to do with production of goods and services. > Sadly, because we have this antiquated concept that money is real and not > simply a measure of what can be produced, we allocate less and less of it > to average people in society who have nothing special to offer the world > and are therefore virtually unneeded and unwanted to the production of > goods and services. We have decided that they aren't worth much. I > suppose carried to its extreme, the only ones who will be entitled to buy > goods in a world capable of producing huge levels of production will be the > robots and human beings not being worth much can simply live in squalor. > > Don't you see the cycle, we produce less because we have decided people > aren't worth it and with less produced we need even less people to work. > The Swiss have it right, only I would raise it to $5,000 a month. The > higher you raise it the better the Earth will be. And by the way just > print it, don't tax for it. Inflation only occurs if money chases a > limited supply. In a world that is capable of generating an unlimited > supply, less money simple means less production. Obviously, this is > talking about the extreme but we have no idea right now the limit of > production as we are self limiting it artificially by our antiquated > concept of economics. Economics is the allocation of scarce resources. It > doesn't work if resources are unlimited and we are approaching the day when > resources will be unlimited. If we limit allocation to those responsible > for producing it (fewer and fewer every year), we will all die of > starvation in the Garden of Eden. > > The only technological thing holding this back right now is Energy, and if > this site is correct and LENR will arrive soon, the last barrier to > unlimited wealth for all society will be removed. We simply have to > understand that we are all worth it. > > Ransom > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Sunil Shah <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2013 3:46 AM > *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Switzerland considers giving every citizen $2,800 a > month > > American Winter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJJR3lG72AA > .s > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:23:14 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Switzerland considers giving every citizen $2,800 a month > From: blaze... > To: [email protected] > > Maybe folks should be worrying about extreme poverty (1.25 / day or ~$40 a > month) before they worry about 2800 a month. > > > http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/2013/ending-extreme-poverty#poverty_scenarios > >
