I am OK if it is "natural", whatever that means.  It is human stupidity
that concerns me.

I guess as humanity progresses on Earth we are creating more entropy, or
vacuum streaming through us, which is our downfall...




On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:27 PM, James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote:

> Natural selection is ruthless.  The so-called "demographic transition" is
> already showing signs of of being an evolutionary notch filter, selecting
> out of the gene-pool those who are susceptible to its forces.  Bottom line
> is that as long as the means to reproduce are available, evolution will
> find a way to create reproducers to reproduce using them.
>
> Norman Borlaug recognized this when he instigated the creation of
> additional billions of people.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Edmund Storms <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Jed, such opinions depend on the time scale you wish to use. If you are
>>> concerned about what will happen to your children, your optimism should be
>>> low.
>>>
>>
>>  Look at the video. Most of the Third World has *now* -- already --
>> achieved the low levels of infant mortality and family size that were the
>> standard in the First World in 1960. These problems are essentially solved,
>> except in a few countries that are politically unstable or at war. We can
>> be optimistic now, becauses these two critical problems have been largely
>> solved.
>>
>> Once you stop the population explosion and ensure that most children will
>> survive to adulthood, that frees up resources to make progress in many
>> other areas, such as education, economic growth and reducing pollution. The
>> Internet, on-line instruction and on-line libraries are beginning to have
>> an impact on education.
>>
>> This video was made by the Gates Foundation. A large share of the credit
>> for recent progress goes to them.
>>
>>
>>
>>>  if you are talking about your great-grand children, you should be a bit
>>> more optimistic.
>>>
>>
>> We are not talking about our great-grandchildren. This is happening now.
>>
>> If anyone in 1960 has said that Africa would achieve U.S. levels of
>> infant mortality and family size by 2005, people would have accused them of
>> being panglossian fools. People were predicting continent-wide mass
>> starvation back then.
>>
>> Of course far more needs to be done. But this progress proves that we can
>> achieve far more. With programs like a guaranteed minimum income and
>> technology such as cold fusion, we can eliminate dire poverty everywhere,
>> and we can have universal literacy within a generation. These goals are
>> within sight.
>>
>> We can also eliminate things like the terrible air pollution in China. We
>> had that kind of pollution in some cities the U.S. and the U.K. until the
>> early 1950s, and in Japan until mid-1960s. The problem was solved when the
>> voters demanded it be solved. The technology to fix it was available from
>> the 1930s on.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

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