Doom and gloom. Self fulfilling prophecy. I think you are right to be cautious. I agree with that there are reasons to say that China and other not so well off countries will be able to swing forward because they might see the opportunity and are 'hungry'.. In itself that is positive. I think you will agree, there is enough energy to share. To believe that China or any third world country would have an advantage is "painting the devil on the wall" (and become scared). Reality is that the west has an advantage (as usual). I agree with that this is a situation when the west might lose some of its advantages. No, I did not say become less prosperous as I think a progression in the not so well off countries is a long term advantage. I usually agree with Ed Storms but I cannot support your logic here. You are obviously concerned about global warming and how we do not do enough. LENR would be a fantastic step forward maybe enough to revert what bad we have done for some time to increase the temperature on the planet. The global warming ideas has been sold poorly and there is no basic support from anyone not involved in science. LENR could be a popular way to achieve the goal. See the possibilities and react accordingly. I think Jed's comments are reality. This is not the days of Copernicus. The internet is here. Now is the question what to do? Hang up your hat as we are too old (70)? I think that it is not an opportunity to find the solution and become rich. As little as the Wright brothers benefited big times from aviation as little will Rossi benefit from LENR. Refining the process will make the initial patent rather obsolete and refining will start when we have full understanding. Instead we need to focus on spreading the knowledge. I appreciate that we need a lot of science support and that it would be good to have support financially from government or big corporations.You are stating on this blog? that i t is impossible for many reasons. Do you think having support from the communistic Chinese government is doable? No. I think Rossi is doing something right when he use Swedish Vattenfall (yes, I am a Naturalized Swede). Because they have the right position to benefit from the technology. I am sure we can identify many other possible partners. As usual in all development, small and big, the management and the marketing is what is needed. Instead of doom and gloom we need to educate and advertise to all parties, which will benefit from the technology step. That work is just as important as the scientific side of the development. Using the internet and our very good ability to design teams for building a lose but strong organization is my idea for not hanging up the hat but to do something. I am sure there are others with more specific ideas and I wish they brought them forward.
Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com [email protected] +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: > Well put Ed Storms. Jed as always is a cornucopian. LENR has a huge > political foot print in the U.S; Five million very high paying jobs are at > stake in the energy production segments and fuel transportation and > distribution economy. > > > > In the immediate first pass, all those jobs whose average salary is about > double the national average would easily shipped off shore to Chinese LENR > factory production facilities. > > > > The American population could not stand such an economic and political > shock. Letting the American car industry to go under is only a mere shadow > of what will happen when Chinese LENR is in full swing. > > > > America will enter a deep depression with little prospects of competing in > world markets. Plutocracy controlled Capital flow worldwide will be > redirected to LENR production in China where most of the future LENR R&D > will take place. > > > > America will pay a heavy price for the contempt that they have shown to > LENR and those who worked on it over these many years. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Edmund Storms <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I always welcome your optimism about the future, Jed, and you can be >> counted on to give the counter argument. However, I think you are missing >> several unique features of LENR that will cause the future to be different >> from how normal events take place. >> >> Unlike most technologies, even the new ones, a huge basic understanding >> is normally in place on which understanding of the new idea can be >> constructed. This is not the case with LENR. No one has a basic >> understanding how it works. Success has resulted from luck. In addition, >> the number of people who have even a rudimentary understanding is very >> limited and growing older by the minuet. >> >> No effective way exists in the West to teach this limited knowledge to >> the next generation - to the scientists and engineers who would be needed >> to manufacture the devices. A race is on is to acquire this knowledge and >> Rossi has a head start. If this knowledge is being acquired and developed >> in China, the rest of the world would have no access. Of course a >> Manhattan-type program might speed up the rest of the world getting the >> knowledge after China put generators on the market. >> >> If you suggest the device could be reverse engineered, you would be >> wrong. If you propose using a lot of bright physicists to figure out the >> process, you would also be wrong. The active region is too unique and too >> small to allow reverse engineering unless you know what to look for. The >> physics profession has already demonstrated its basic inability to explain >> the effect. A physics education is actually a handicap. Consequently, >> once the West wakes up and discovers it needs to compete with China, most >> of the present information will have been lost from the West and >> rediscovering the knowledge will take too long. By the time the required >> knowledge is obtained, China will be far ahead. But, that is only my >> opinion based on 23 years of study. >> >> The fact that this very serious and plausible situation exists and >> nothing is being done, gives little hope that the response later will be >> any more competent, no matter how much self-interest is focused on the >> problem. This is the global-warming problem all over again. Once again, by >> the time the danger is obvious, the response will be too little and too >> late. >> >> Ed Storms >> >> On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: >> >> Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> As the U.S. will soon become the world leader in fossil fuel >>> development and worldwide sales well into this century, it is not in the >>> interest of Russia, the U.S. or its other energy producing allies to >>> sponsor a competitive or more rightly a superior energy source. If the past >>> is prolog, the U.S. will attempt to restrict LENR to secret military >>> operations like Drone power, small naval vessel power plants, and remote >>> base power sources. >>> >> This scenario is unrealistic. The U.S. government does not have the power >> to restrict a technology in this fashion. Once it becomes generally known >> that cold fusion is real, no government, corporation or other institution >> will have the power to stop it from being developed and deployed. The lure >> of money will be far too strong. Consumers will demand it. >> >> Corporate CEOs, Senators and other powerful people often imagine that >> they are in control of events, but that is not the case. A corporate CEO is >> a slave to his customers. Whatever they demand he must supply. >> >> By proclaiming that the LENR technology is top secret and a dangerous >>> nuclear application with weapons of mass destruction potential . . . >>> >> This cannot be done. Knowledge of the technology is already too >> widespread. These devices are not that complicated to make. After people >> realize it is real, every industrial corporation will begin frantic efforts >> to replicate it. They will soon surpass Rossi, just as in 1909 competitors >> soon surpassed the Wright brothers. Even if the U.S. government claims LENR >> is top secret or dangerous, other governments will ignore it. >> >> The most important military uses of cold fusion will be in ordinary >> civilian technology such as automobiles, telephones and flashlights. Not in >> exotic weapons. The most important technologies of the WWII were trucks and >> DC-3 airplanes. See the quote from Eisenhower in my book. If the U.S. does >> not allow widespread use of cold fusion in civilian technology, our >> military will soon be weakened. Military leaders understand this, and will >> not let it happen. >> >> People here who extol the Chinese government and economic system have >> exaggerated ideas about its effectiveness. It is far from perfect. The >> U.S., the EU and Japan are still in the aggregate far ahead of China, well >> integrated with one another, and more capable of developing cold fusion >> rapidly. It is far from a foregone conclusion that China will lead in this >> technology, although it surely will play an important role. >> >> This reminds me of the notion that the Chinese have somehow put a >> hammerlock on the market for rare earths. That's ridiculous. The U.S., >> Canada and other countries have huge supplies of rare earths. We stopped >> mining these metals because the Chinese produce them at a much lower cost. >> They do that because they ignore their own environmental laws and they pay >> their workers very little. The U.S. and Japanese manufacturers could easily >> pay a few extra pennies per magnet or per cell phone and make up the >> difference. If the Chinese ever again threaten to embargo these materials >> to jack up the price, I am sure the U.S. will do that, and Japan will >> revive North American production. I expert they are doing that now. See: >> >> http://oilprice.com/uploads/AC1025.png >> >> I remember in the 1980s when people claimed that Japan was the economic >> powerhouse of the future. I found this notion ludicrous, as did most >> Japanese people I knew. Of course it was and remains a major industrial >> power, but there was never anything magic about the government, MITI, their >> corporations or their educational system that would put them far ahead of >> other countries. >> >> The only time in history when one set of nations progressed far ahead of >> others was the industrial revolution from 1700 to 1900, when Europe and the >> U.S. became far wealthier and technically ahead of Asia and the third >> world. That was because of unique conditions that will never reoccur. The >> biggest reason was lack of communications. People in Japan and China did >> not know what was happening in Europe or the Americas. Now they do know, >> and there is no chance they will miss out on any major technological >> advance. And no chance we will miss out on a breakthrough in those >> countries. If consumers in Europe or China begin buying cold fusion powered >> cars, consumers in the U.S. will hear about it. >> >> (remember when they want to mobilize popular opinion: "We don't want the >>> smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."), they can maintain their >>> worldwide advantage in fossil fuel sales of coal, oil and especially >>> liquefied natural gas. >>> >> Not a chance. No one can sell a technology when a rival technology is >> half the price, or ten times cheaper, or a thousand times cheaper -- as >> cold fusion will inevitably become. You might as well suggest that by >> mobilizing popular opinion the government might have prevented the use of >> electric lighting, automobiles, or computers. Or that it might persuade >> people to go back to using horses instead of automobiles. No power on earth >> can prevent people from adapting technology which is far better or cheaper >> than the old version. >> >> - Jed >> >> >> >
