Lennant, this is neither gloom or self-fulfilling prophecy. It is an
effort to get the ignorant to pay attention to a serious threat. I
used global warming as an example because it has the same
characteristics. The ignorant will not accept the advice of
knowledgeable people in this example or about the threat of LENR.
Some excuse is always found to ignore good advice.
Success in every part of life depends on making the correct decision,
both personally and by a country. The failures are always obvious
after the fact. However, during the process of self destruction, a
small group are always aware of what is happening and the mistakes
being made. The outcome will depend on whether they are listened to
or ignored. Your choice. And yes, I agree Sweden is the right place
in the West for the technology to develop. You should be proud that
the leaders in your country understand the problem. Unfortunately, I
do not live in Sweden.
Ed Storms
On Jan 5, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Lennart Thornros wrote:
Doom and gloom.
Self fulfilling prophecy.
I think you are right to be cautious. I agree with that there are
reasons to say that China and other not so well off countries will
be able to swing forward because they might see the opportunity and
are 'hungry'.. In itself that is positive. I think you will agree,
there is enough energy to share. To believe that China or any third
world country would have an advantage is "painting the devil on the
wall" (and become scared). Reality is that the west has an advantage
(as usual). I agree with that this is a situation when the west
might lose some of its advantages. No, I did not say become less
prosperous as I think a progression in the not so well off countries
is a long term advantage.
I usually agree with Ed Storms but I cannot support your logic here.
You are obviously concerned about global warming and how we do not
do enough. LENR would be a fantastic step forward maybe enough to
revert what bad we have done for some time to increase the
temperature on the planet. The global warming ideas has been sold
poorly and there is no basic support from anyone not involved in
science. LENR could be a popular way to achieve the goal. See the
possibilities and react accordingly.
I think Jed's comments are reality. This is not the days of
Copernicus. The internet is here.
Now is the question what to do? Hang up your hat as we are too old
(70)?
I think that it is not an opportunity to find the solution and
become rich. As little as the Wright brothers benefited big times
from aviation as little will Rossi benefit from LENR. Refining the
process will make the initial patent rather obsolete and refining
will start when we have full understanding.
Instead we need to focus on spreading the knowledge. I appreciate
that we need a lot of science support and that it would be good to
have support financially from government or big corporations.You are
stating on this blog? that i t is impossible for many reasons. Do
you think having support from the communistic Chinese government is
doable? No. I think Rossi is doing something right when he use
Swedish Vattenfall (yes, I am a Naturalized Swede). Because they
have the right position to benefit from the technology. I am sure we
can identify many other possible partners. As usual in all
development, small and big, the management and the marketing is what
is needed. Instead of doom and gloom we need to educate and
advertise to all parties, which will benefit from the technology
step. That work is just as important as the scientific side of the
development. Using the internet and our very good ability to design
teams for building a lose but strong organization is my idea for not
hanging up the hat but to do something. I am sure there are others
with more specific ideas and I wish they brought them forward.
Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros
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On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote:
Well put Ed Storms. Jed as always is a cornucopian. LENR has a huge
political foot print in the U.S; Five million very high paying jobs
are at stake in the energy production segments and fuel
transportation and distribution economy.
In the immediate first pass, all those jobs whose average salary is
about double the national average would easily shipped off shore to
Chinese LENR factory production facilities.
The American population could not stand such an economic and
political shock. Letting the American car industry to go under is
only a mere shadow of what will happen when Chinese LENR is in full
swing.
America will enter a deep depression with little prospects of
competing in world markets. Plutocracy controlled Capital flow
worldwide will be redirected to LENR production in China where most
of the future LENR R&D will take place.
America will pay a heavy price for the contempt that they have shown
to LENR and those who worked on it over these many years.
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Edmund Storms
<[email protected]> wrote:
I always welcome your optimism about the future, Jed, and you can be
counted on to give the counter argument. However, I think you are
missing several unique features of LENR that will cause the future
to be different from how normal events take place.
Unlike most technologies, even the new ones, a huge basic
understanding is normally in place on which understanding of the new
idea can be constructed. This is not the case with LENR. No one has
a basic understanding how it works. Success has resulted from luck.
In addition, the number of people who have even a rudimentary
understanding is very limited and growing older by the minuet.
No effective way exists in the West to teach this limited knowledge
to the next generation - to the scientists and engineers who would
be needed to manufacture the devices. A race is on is to acquire
this knowledge and Rossi has a head start. If this knowledge is
being acquired and developed in China, the rest of the world would
have no access. Of course a Manhattan-type program might speed up
the rest of the world getting the knowledge after China put
generators on the market.
If you suggest the device could be reverse engineered, you would be
wrong. If you propose using a lot of bright physicists to figure out
the process, you would also be wrong. The active region is too
unique and too small to allow reverse engineering unless you know
what to look for. The physics profession has already demonstrated
its basic inability to explain the effect. A physics education is
actually a handicap. Consequently, once the West wakes up and
discovers it needs to compete with China, most of the present
information will have been lost from the West and rediscovering the
knowledge will take too long. By the time the required knowledge is
obtained, China will be far ahead. But, that is only my opinion
based on 23 years of study.
The fact that this very serious and plausible situation exists and
nothing is being done, gives little hope that the response later
will be any more competent, no matter how much self-interest is
focused on the problem. This is the global-warming problem all over
again. Once again, by the time the danger is obvious, the response
will be too little and too late.
Ed Storms
On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote:
As the U.S. will soon become the world leader in fossil fuel
development and worldwide sales well into this century, it is not
in the interest of Russia, the U.S. or its other energy producing
allies to sponsor a competitive or more rightly a superior energy
source. If the past is prolog, the U.S. will attempt to restrict
LENR to secret military operations like Drone power, small naval
vessel power plants, and remote base power sources.
This scenario is unrealistic. The U.S. government does not have the
power to restrict a technology in this fashion. Once it becomes
generally known that cold fusion is real, no government,
corporation or other institution will have the power to stop it
from being developed and deployed. The lure of money will be far
too strong. Consumers will demand it.
Corporate CEOs, Senators and other powerful people often imagine
that they are in control of events, but that is not the case. A
corporate CEO is a slave to his customers. Whatever they demand he
must supply.
By proclaiming that the LENR technology is top secret and a
dangerous nuclear application with weapons of mass destruction
potential . . .
This cannot be done. Knowledge of the technology is already too
widespread. These devices are not that complicated to make. After
people realize it is real, every industrial corporation will begin
frantic efforts to replicate it. They will soon surpass Rossi, just
as in 1909 competitors soon surpassed the Wright brothers. Even if
the U.S. government claims LENR is top secret or dangerous, other
governments will ignore it.
The most important military uses of cold fusion will be in ordinary
civilian technology such as automobiles, telephones and
flashlights. Not in exotic weapons. The most important technologies
of the WWII were trucks and DC-3 airplanes. See the quote from
Eisenhower in my book. If the U.S. does not allow widespread use of
cold fusion in civilian technology, our military will soon be
weakened. Military leaders understand this, and will not let it
happen.
People here who extol the Chinese government and economic system
have exaggerated ideas about its effectiveness. It is far from
perfect. The U.S., the EU and Japan are still in the aggregate far
ahead of China, well integrated with one another, and more capable
of developing cold fusion rapidly. It is far from a foregone
conclusion that China will lead in this technology, although it
surely will play an important role.
This reminds me of the notion that the Chinese have somehow put a
hammerlock on the market for rare earths. That's ridiculous. The
U.S., Canada and other countries have huge supplies of rare earths.
We stopped mining these metals because the Chinese produce them at
a much lower cost. They do that because they ignore their own
environmental laws and they pay their workers very little. The U.S.
and Japanese manufacturers could easily pay a few extra pennies per
magnet or per cell phone and make up the difference. If the Chinese
ever again threaten to embargo these materials to jack up the
price, I am sure the U.S. will do that, and Japan will revive North
American production. I expert they are doing that now. See:
http://oilprice.com/uploads/AC1025.png
I remember in the 1980s when people claimed that Japan was the
economic powerhouse of the future. I found this notion ludicrous,
as did most Japanese people I knew. Of course it was and remains a
major industrial power, but there was never anything magic about
the government, MITI, their corporations or their educational
system that would put them far ahead of other countries.
The only time in history when one set of nations progressed far
ahead of others was the industrial revolution from 1700 to 1900,
when Europe and the U.S. became far wealthier and technically ahead
of Asia and the third world. That was because of unique conditions
that will never reoccur. The biggest reason was lack of
communications. People in Japan and China did not know what was
happening in Europe or the Americas. Now they do know, and there is
no chance they will miss out on any major technological advance.
And no chance we will miss out on a breakthrough in those
countries. If consumers in Europe or China begin buying cold fusion
powered cars, consumers in the U.S. will hear about it.
(remember when they want to mobilize popular opinion: "We don't
want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."), they can maintain
their worldwide advantage in fossil fuel sales of coal, oil and
especially liquefied natural gas.
Not a chance. No one can sell a technology when a rival technology
is half the price, or ten times cheaper, or a thousand times
cheaper -- as cold fusion will inevitably become. You might as well
suggest that by mobilizing popular opinion the government might
have prevented the use of electric lighting, automobiles, or
computers. Or that it might persuade people to go back to using
horses instead of automobiles. No power on earth can prevent people
from adapting technology which is far better or cheaper than the
old version.
- Jed
