*Fran, I think you might want to look into negative energy production.*

*In a previous post titled "squeezed light". I have explained that the NAE
produces squeezed light based on the up and down shifting of light
frequencies seen in the photons constrained in an optical cavity.*



*Squeezed light is one of the mechanisms that are cited as the origin for
negative energy production. This zone of negative energy is a volume where
vacuum energy is reduced to a value that lower than is typically found in
the ordinary space and the Casmir force is reduced or completely removed.*



*In this volume, light may exceed its constant value because in this zone
the electrical and magnetic properties of the vacuum are reduced, and a
space time worm hole may develop. I am just following the dots.*




On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Roarty, Francis X <
[email protected]> wrote:

>  Yes, Ed it sounds strange but my position has always been based on a
> caveat to COE that says random motion of gas can never be exploited.. IMHO
> these gas atoms are translated via the Ni geometry and will normally return
> to ground state unexploited as their local  geometry changes with random
> motion, the caveat I am suggesting  becomes an option when we heavily load
> the Ni geometry with gas such that the fractional h atoms exiting the
> geometry do not have the room to return to normal  ground state which by
> itself still gains you nothing but which opens the door for all these
> different theories by accumulating these fractional atoms seeking to return
> to ground state. I am keeping an open mind to ALL the various theories for
> energy creation but my reason for promoting Arto's theory was wrt his
> perspective on Casimir geometry and the way he illustrates the field
> turning to propel the gas  atoms down into these smaller regions where they
> appear to be lower than ground state.. although not using the same language
> as I it appears he is coming to the same conclusions as to the originating
> source of the energy.. I am not too fond of the "neutral atoms"  he is
> suggesting but I think he has a better handle than most on what is setting
> the stage.
>
> Fran
>
> *From:* Edmund Storms [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 31, 2014 12:06 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Cc:* Edmund Storms
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Higgs and LENR
>
>
>
> Fran, do you realize how strange this explanation sounds? The H has to
> climb over a Coulomb barrier having a charge of 28. We know how hard
> getting over a change of 1 is, so how is this barrier overcome so easily?
> Second, each Ni nucleus in the sea of Ni would have to experience the role
> of the so called catalyst. This magic catalyst would have to move from Ni
> to Ni as each was converted to Cu because apparently the magic catalyst is
> not able to add H to copper or apparently to any thing else. Each small
> particle of Ni would have to contain the magic catalyst and a large
> fraction of the Ni would have to be converted to Cu in order to account for
> the energy being claimed. Common sense is violated! Can people please
> consider the obvious and necessary consequences before applying pure
> imagination? In addition, we have no evidence that Cu is produced. Rossi
> even has withdrawn this claim.
>
>
>
> Ed Storms
>
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
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> Just saw this:
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> http://ecatsuomi.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/arto-lauri-i-will-take-on-how-the-e-cat-works/
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> pix http://ecatsuomi.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/arto_lauri_proposal1.png
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> I think Arto is very close if not exactly on target with this theory for
> the ecat.. IMHO he defines the fractional hydrogen as neutral wrt the Ni
> atom where I would say they are relativistic and held this way by the bulk
> of loaded gas occupying the unrelativistic space that prevents the
> fractional hydrogen from translating back to normal as the suppressing
> geometry is  left behind via random motion ..this pressure then discounts
> the barrier and allows the  dilated atom to slip "behind" the Ni atom  on
> temporal coordinate and may be why this effect requires heavy loading such
> that the fractional atom doesn't have opportunity to slip back into normal
> ground state anywhere in the surrounding region... accumulating hydrinos that
> are denied the opportunity to return to normal after having left the
> geometry that caused their condition.
>
> Fran
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