Ed, Sorry to completely disagree that proposing a novel way to explain the lack of gammas is unnecessary. Surely, you knew this response was coming.
Au contraire, a new point of view is the very essence of a better understanding of LENR. That proper understanding must be novel, almost by definition since it has not been addressed adequately in the past. The most elegant answer begins with the obvious assertion that there are no gammas ab initio, which means that no reaction of the kind which your theory proposes can be valid because gammas are expected. >From there on, we are in new physics territory, and it is counter-productive to attempt to prop up the wall of conventional understanding, in order to protect a crumbling foundation. Once again, we must agree to disagree. Did you really think it would be otherwise? Jones -----Original Message----- From: Edmund Storms Bob and Jones, The LENR reaction is KNOWN to produce radiation. However, this radiation has too low an energy for most to get out of the device. The main radiation is photon, which is the only way LENR can dissipate the energy, and this is hidden in the apparatus. Proposing novel and imagined processes is unnecessary. Yes, the source of heat is from H fusion which I propose makes D. It is not from transmutation. This process can be explained very simply without using novel assumptions. The ONLY unknown requiring assumptions is HOW the energy is dissipated as low-energy photons. The unknown is not in what happens but how it happens. We need to discuss the HOW. Ed Storms On Feb 2, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > From: Bob Higgins > > The Demron specification says that it reduces the 662 keV > gamma from 137Cs by only 1% (not an attenuation factor of .01, an > attenuation factor of 0.99; I.E. almost no attenuation) which would be > expected. > > Yes, this material is not very effective for shielding gammas - at > least for the type of reaction (proton addition) which is suggested. > Furthermore, the alternative claim of some kind of leak-free photon attenuation or thermalization of gammas is a joke. No way. > > In short, by now it should be obvious to everyone who follows LENR > that there are three important factors to rationalize. > > 1) The operative reaction does not produce gammas ab initio, nor even > bremsstrahlung (and therefore cannot be related to a known nuclear > reaction) > 2) The Hagelstein explanation, or a version of it, where energy is > released in staggered small packets, could apply but it is an > extreme long > shot - as even Hagelstein acknowledge that this is a violation of > CoE and > could never happen without some gamma leakage. > 3) A new kind of nuclear reaction involving hydrogen, previously > unknown or under-appreciated in physics as being exothermic, is at > the core > of LENR. > > Logically, #3 seems to be the only valid choice from my perspective > - with > the proviso that it could involve inner electron orbitals in some > way, and > thus be related to ZPE as the energy source (since ZPE is very > relevant to > electron dynamics in atoms) without the necessity for mass -> energy > conversion. > > Jones > > <winmail.dat>
