>Ok, so time dilation must have occurred for the muon, it moved through the >reference frame of the lab and lasted longer because of it. But the Muon was not conscious, carried no instrumentation and surely had no evidence to offer to indicate that it observed time was seeming to occur more swiftly for it than for the lab.<
In my model, the muon did not consider that its life time was any different than at complete rest. It was not time dilated as far as it was concerned. The only ones measuring the muon time dilation are the observers on Earth. To make matters worse, you get the right answer if you consider the muon as observing length contraction of the path that it takes. Then, I had time dilation for one observer and length contraction for the other to contend with. Each process gave a valid seeming answer. I was looking for a hole in SR, but came up empty. Only then did I realize that the operation of the LHC also matched these two nasty calculations. Back to ground zero. Dave -----Original Message----- From: John Berry <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Feb 19, 2014 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:51 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: The muon experiments show time dilation in operation. Once I calculated the equivalent velocity of the muon assuming that time dilation did not exist. I obtained a velocity of IIRC about 10 times the speed of light. Every thing fit into place regarding the distance traveled in a standard lifetime of a muon. Only one factor could not be made to fit. That happened to be the measured velocity of the muons. The distance was known but the time did not match with the calculated velocity. A similar problem arises when one looks closely at an accelerator. The LHC is a perfect example where the time required to make a revolution is well known. I again could calculate an assumed velocity based upon the energy. I came to the conclusion that time dilation must be real according to what each observer determines. Ok, so time dilation must have occurred for the muon, it moved through the reference frame of the lab and lasted longer because of it. But the Muon was not conscious, carried no instrumentation and surely had no evidence to offer to indicate that it observed time was seeming to occur more swiftly for it than for the lab. Imagine 2 Muons, one moving at a high percentage of the speed of light around another. If you move with the orbiting muon SR would have us believe that this muon would die before the one in the center. If you sit with the muon in the center, it should be seen to die first. Of course no researcher has been willing to hop into the LHC and settle this time dilation dilemma, pussies. Time dilation is expected, I misnamed this thread, this is not the impossibility of time dilation in a gravitational field, or the impossibility of time dilation due to movement through a preferred frame. It addresses the impossibility of equal opportunity time dilation. John
