Ed--
You said--
>Trying to fit QM to the lattice is a waste of time.
I would note that the lattice is a QM system and, although complicated, obeys
the various laws of QM including separate and unique energies for all like
femions in the system and angular momentum for each particle at any given
time and other properties associated with the wave function (WF) appropriate
for the lattice with all its particles as a function of time.
I would further note that lattice WF can be approximated and the interaction
with various external stimuli estimated to allow engineering changes in the
state of the system including lower total potential energy and higher kinetic
energy in the form of heat. The changes may include nuclear and chemical
changes at the same time.
>From what you say--
>"the nuclear process MUST occur outside of the chemical structure."
I find no basis for this conclusion. We seem not to agree on the basic natural
laws that apply to the various LENR systems.
For example I would say as a proton enters the Pd lattice it becomes part of
the QM lattice system, effecting a change in the potential energy, the kinetic
energy and angular momentum of the system as a whole--with the various
respective particles in the system changing and sharing the energy and
momentum based on their respective characteristics of mass, charge, spin etc.
Even considering our conceptual differences, I will read your book regarding
LENR science when it comes out and probably have comments.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
Exactly right John. The site of the nuclear process MUST occur outside of the
chemical structure. Once the correct location is identified, QM can be applied
in ways that are consistent with this environment. Trying to fit QM to the
lattice is a waste of time.
Ed Storms
On Feb 27, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Foks0904 . wrote:
Bob,
Not to speak for Ed, but I believe he means that if a nuclear process were
to take place within an empty lattice vacancy (i.e. the "chemical environment"
of the cathode; either in bulk or on the surface) that we would see a number of
chemical changes within the system well before a nuclear effect could manifest
itself. This is why Ed postulates "nano-cracks" or "nano-voids" as the likely
nuclear active environment (NAE) in the cathode, because these are domains that
operate independently of the chemical lattice environment (i.e. are not
influencing the cathodes' atomic structure) where nuclear effects can then
manifest.
Regards,
John
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ed--
You stated--
>If the limitations imposed by chemistry are applied to what is actually
observed, the explanation becomes much clearer.
What limitations do you have in mind?
Bob Cook
----- Original Message -----
From: Edmund Storms
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,
Axil, after considerable thought and examination of the literature, I
can say with certain that the various theories are flawed because they do not
acknowledge the chemical conditions in which LENR occurs. Too often various
esoteric quantum processes are applied that are in basic conflict with the
requirements imposed by the chemical structure and by well know laws and
observation. If the limitations imposed by chemistry are applied to what is
actually observed, the explanation becomes much clearer. You in particular,
throw any idea that comes to mind at the wall and hope something sticks. As a
result, your wall makes no sense to you. If you would focus on what is known
about LENR, you would find out exactly what the elephant looks like.
Ed Storms
On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
The primary issue that the LENR theorist faces is to judge “how much
is enough” or “how far do we need to zoom in”.
The reason why there are so many cold fusion theories is that most
theorists have not approached the essence of the LENR issue.
To illustrate the situation that LENR faces as a huge and vastly
complicated issue is similar to the King who wanted to know the true essence of
a problem. To teach his advisors a lesson on how best to arrive at truth, he
asked his advisors to determine what an elephant looked like by feeling
different parts of the elephant's body. The men were led into a darken room
where an elephant quietly stood. The man who feels its leg says the elephant is
like a pillar; the one who feels the tail says the elephant is like a rope; the
one who feels the trunk says the elephant is like a tree branch; the one who
feels the ear says the elephant is like a hand fan; the one who feels the belly
says the elephant is like a wall; and the one who feels the tusk says the
elephant is like a solid pipe.
The king explains to them: All of you are right. The reason every one
of you is telling it differently is because each one of you have touched the
different part of the elephant. So, actually the elephant has all the features
you mentioned. To know the true essence of the elephant, you must put all these
characteristics together into a coherent whole.
Like a huge elephant standing quietly in a darkened room, the reason
why there are so many theories of LENR is because each theory limits itself to
just one particular manifestation of the LENR phenomena.
We must not confuse effect with cause. We must keep our hands moving
and groping and feeling the huge dark animal that stands before us. We must
keep on zooming in to find the true essence of what LENR is all about and not
restrict ourselves to just one part of a vastly more complicated whole.
