I would say that the Defkalion demise only adds to Rossi's credibility. He parted ways with Defkalion 2 or 3 years ago. His reasons may be consistent with the recent comments by Luca.
I tend to agree with Jones that there is something in the way of LENR associated with the Defkalion device, however, it was not a robust energy producer and hence not as desirable as the Rossi device. Kim may have been overly optimistic about being able to engineer more output on the meager Defkalion budget. It will be interesting to see whether the Pd/D system goes the same route. Large energy output for a long time is the obvious proof needed to get development going on a number of fronts. Has anyone heard about the operation of the Rossi unit that was "sold" to the Swedish entity for the cost of the heat it produces? Mats Lewan talks about this event but does not have any follow-up about what happened TMK. Positive comments from the organization that received the Rossi power plant should add a good percent to Blaze's estimate. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Alain Sepeda To: Vortex List Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35% "Gamberale told me that the findings he describes in the report could bring damage to serious research activities within LENR" Sady it have started... the anti-LENr already says that we cannot trust anything, about E-cat test because of the Milan demo tricks by Defkalion. It will be a very powerful tool to prevent people and media to even consider any results. The deniers have won. no evidence will be accepted, what ever it is. They will just say : "somewhere a fraud have been done, so this is a fraud" and the physicist will applaud, and the media will repeat, and the people will sit on the sofa quietly. that tragedy is well described in that fantastic article by jed http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4 Nobel will just says that E-cat test was bad, after reading the las sentence of the conclusion of an obscure report by incompetent skeptic, and nobody will question them. the only escape is Defkalion proving his device and explaining their stupid behavior. Even if they made mistakes, they should have worked with Luca and not ignored him. That stinks. 2014-05-13 11:16 GMT+02:00 Blaze Spinnaker <[email protected]>: Luca is the ultimate insider and it reads like only almost an accusation. What we're seeing here is a continuation of the pattern that has made us so wary of cold fusion. Bayesian analysis relies on patterns, and the probability that Rossi will also follow this pattern has just increased significantly. This report is a terrible day for LENR. In the words of Luca (who is a deeply credible individual, a PHd with several papers to his name and experience working at major labs) - "Gamberale told me that the findings he describes in the report could bring damage to serious research activities within LENR" On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Eric Walker <[email protected]> wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <[email protected]> wrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ At the time of the demo, few here were impressed with it, if I recall. I do not know why you would have increased your probability figure in connection with the demo, such that the recent evidence to come to light would take something back away from it. Eric
