Daniel Rocha <[email protected]> wrote:

> I wish you'd believe me he did not get the result in that way.  :)
>

Ask him. If Kim tells me he observed experiments himself, I will believe it.

I will still consider him naive. Even if he observed experiments, he could
not have checked the flow rate. He would have seen the device was not
producing excess heat. As far as I know, no one has every confirmed that it
produces excess heat, and all of the measurements of excess heat have been
mistaken. Perhaps there are measurements I did not hear about.

If the people at Defkalion have a legitimate, third party report showing
excess heat, they should publish it. They are in deep trouble. They may
even end up facing criminal charges for fraud. I presume a third party
report would exonerate them. So they should publish one if they have it.
Whatever business reasons they might have for secrecy, staying out the
courtroom and staying out of jail should be a higher priority.

I think it is unlikely any report exists. I also think it is unlikely the
device ever worked. I cannot tell whether this was fraud or incompetence.
The only way to find out would be to conduct an investigation with a
warrant to bring them in for questioning and search their e-mail and other
sources for evidence that they knew the flow rate was wrong, and they
deliberately set the valves to make it wrong. That is what Gamberale
alleges here:

http://matslew.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/

Gamberale said, "To obtain this effect it’s necessary to operate two valves
in a certain way, so you need to have the intention to do it."

- Jed

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