Peter Gluck <[email protected]> wrote: How can a flowmeter give counts- and 1 Liter per minute is much when > nothing goes through it? >
You tell me! You are the one with insider information. Ask Xanthoulis or Hadjichristos. They were the ones who insisted that Gamberale set up the system that way. When he tried to install additional equipment to confirm the flow rate, they ordered it removed without discussion. They stopped him from doing common sense tests that would have revealed the flow meter was not working. As soon as the people from Defkalion left the lab, Gamberale tested the flow rate and found it registered even when the flow was zero. Since even Xanthoulis admits this, I do not see why you dispute it. > > I just tell that this trick cannot be used to obtain > increased number of counts with consistent values as recorded during the ( > hours demo I was watching till late night. > The values were not consistent. You are wrong about that. Read the Gamberale report, and look at the oscilloscope traces in the report. The flow meter reading on the screen looked consistent but the oscilloscope showed they were randomly spaced, which proves they were not caused by a constant flow of water from the tap. Instead, they were caused by water sloshing back and forth. > And please do not say DGT has no publications- see the ICCF-17, ICCF-18 > and PIM papers- . . . > I have seen them. I do not see any data from experiments in these papers. Only vague generalizations, theory blather, graphs without proper labels, and public relations bullshit. Such as this: https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36783/TheoreticalAnalysisReactionMechanisms.pdf?sequence=1 I have not seen any third-party verifications either. > The Gamberale Report is just an attack against DGT - the Greek company had > to protect its know-how. > Defkalion Europe was a joint venture with Defkalion. Defkalion owned half of it. It was set up with an agreement to share the know-how. Why did Defkalion have to protect its know-how against its own joint venture, in violation of the contract?!? Why did they drive their own joint venture into bankruptcy and lose hundreds of millions in potential business? I do not see how that "protects" Defkalion. And if this is "just an attack" why does Xanthoulis agree with it? He admits the flow meter was not working. Is he attacking himself? What you are saying makes no sense. > However this discussion line can be continued only with the implication of > the flowmeter manufacturers. > You seem to be saying that testing the flowmeter with a stopwatch and cylinder, or showing it registers 1 L/min when the flow is zero are not valid ways to test a flow meter. I am sure that if you ask the flow meter manufacturers, they will tell you these are valid ways to confirm the meter readings. I have read flow meter operating manuals that tell you do these steps. There are, in fact, no other ways to test flow meter. This is how you do it. When the meter fails these tests, you can be sure it is not working. There is no need to consult with a manufacturer. When you see no water flowing through but the screen tells you it is 1 L/min., the instrument is not working. - Jed
