Why should I?  I've simply noticed that you and Daniel Rocha have gone over
the edge in the last few days.  If you were in a real quest for a more
perfect truth, you'd be re-examining the messages you've posted at Jed over
the last few days.


On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote:

> In the quest for a more perfect truth, please identify who DGT has
> defrauded and of what?
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:06 AM, Kevin O'Malley <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> The issue isn't whether Gamberale was defrauded.  It is whether or not
>> Defkalion engaged in fraud.
>>
>> And that issue is probably moot anyways, because the only real thing
>> someone could hope for is some cash in their pocket  from a civil lawsuit.
>> That isn't gonna happen because Defkalion is broke.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Defrauding people or organizations of money or valuables is the usual
>>> purpose of fraud. How was Gamberale defrauded?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The legal system DOES rely on precedent.  And there's tons of it when
>>>> it comes to fraud.  Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the
>>>>> legal system provides consistency.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Axil, that's not how the legal system works.  There are no "cold
>>>>>> fusion laws".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it
>>>>>>>> doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can use a dictionary, if you like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant
>>>>>>>>> to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The subject matter is meaningless.  The subject could be pink
>>>>>>>>>> unicorn fairy dust.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil 
>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words "
>>>>>>>>>>> criminal statute", fraud, NDA, jail, and "illegal actions" apply. 
>>>>>>>>>>> When a
>>>>>>>>>>> valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes 
>>>>>>>>>>> generally
>>>>>>>>>>> accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally 
>>>>>>>>>>> possible to
>>>>>>>>>>> bring  Gamberale to account.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting point, Jed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because
>>>>>>>>>>>> Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to have to defend against that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blaze Spinnaker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not "busted his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NDA openly," warned the customers, and closed down the company, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the person
>>>>>>>>>>>>> under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contract that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for breach
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> refused to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> violate a criminal statute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitcase on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Broadway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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