Jones, from my perspective - about the only thing this has in common with the 
suncell is the electric arc.  Everything appears to be quite different and 
intended for a different result.  This looks like a simple electrolyzer to me.

Are you seriously implying that since this Naudin experiment used electric arcs 
that it is the "prior art" to the suncell?  If so, the spark plug is prior art 
to Naudin, and Franklin's flying kite is prior art to the spark plug, etc.  
Nothing that uses any sort of electric arc somewhere would be patentable, cause 
they're all prior art, right?

I don't understand this crusade against Mills.  This appears to go beyond 
professional jealousy into the realm of personal vendetta. Hey, I'm no fan of 
RM, but this goes beyond the pale, in your continuing attempts to deny Mills 
his rightful due.  Let's cut Randy some slack shall we? Cause what he is doing 
is unprecedented and revolutionary.  It is expected that he would fail several 
times before hitting it right. When I look at BLP, I see a man trying to solve 
a difficult problem, not one trying to scam investors.  Those investors are not 
gullible, you know.   

You blame him for not delivering on many past promises; but how many deadlines 
has Microsoft missed in their product releases?  How many IBM announced 
inventions have failed to materialize in the marketplace?  How many flops have 
Apple had before they hit the sweet spot?  And these are for things that we 
have good understanding of and with companies that have virtually unlimited R&D 
budgets.  Randy is trying to produce something that no one has ever done - 
produce unlimited energy from water.  Considering the monumental tasks he's 
trying to achieve, I think he is doing fairly well.



And need I remind you, that I WANT THE SUNCELL TO FAIL.




Jojo


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jones Beene 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:31 AM
  Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?


  This 11 year old experiment below is basically a type of SunCell without the 
titanium catalyst, and using different electrodes. It would have been easy to 
surround this reactor with photoelectric cells, for increased gain, but AFAIK – 
Naudin never went that far. 

   

  http://bingofuel.online.fr/bingofuel/html/bfr10.htm

   

  It was claimed to have an overunity efficiency of about 125% to 150% which is 
less than Mills 200% - but it has no catalyst to recondition. Naudin even used 
a power supply from an arc welder. 

   

  However, this design consumes carbon from the graphite electrodes – as does 
the Santilli reaction, but less carbon is consumed than the gain – at least 
according to the claim. Mills’ reaction also consumes the catalyst, at a lesser 
rate than the gain, at least according to the claim.

   

  Carbon is not a Mills catalyst, unless RM has now added it to the long list. 
It would be interesting to see the Naudin’s reactor using titanium in some form 
– perhaps in the electrodes. 

   

  Naudin did try to close the loop, but was not successful although he did 
power the genset with the gas. Who knows how much extra power could have been 
obtained from solar cells.

  http://bingofuel.online.fr/bingofuel/videos/5hpgenbfr.rm

   

  Like everything Naudin experimented with, he gave up too soon.

   

  Jones

   

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