Thermal motion produces infrared photons that are central to the LENT
reaction.


On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Can random thermal motion ever be converted into spin?*
>
> I assert that this is the underlying mechanism of LENR.
>
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> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 12:40 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jones.  There might be something here that needs further
>> research.  Would it not seem logical that there should exist some ultimate
>> minimum energy level for the proton mass?  In other words, some mass below
>> which additional energy can not be extracted.
>>
>> I can imagine that higher spin energy states would exist.  These may even
>> exchange total energy among the nearby protons such that most remain
>> elevated about the zero additional energy state.  Then I might ask about
>> how unidirectional the effect should be.  Would the tendency to achieve
>> maximum disorder push the process of converting the stored excess energy
>> into thermal motion?  Can random thermal motion ever be converted into spin?
>>
>> I suppose I am reaching for a mechanism that would allow an exchange of
>> the captured spin energy with random thermal energy.  I guess that spin
>> energy is strongly associated with angular momentum while thermal energy
>> tends to be considered associated with linear momentum.   The two might not
>> mix very well.  So far I have not been able to come up with a way to
>> exchange the two types of momentum.
>>
>> Forgive me for rambling on, but this is the way my mind processes
>> interactive ideas as I try to connect the dots.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net>
>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
>> Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:14 pm
>> Subject: RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism
>>
>>              From: David Roberson
>> *    
>> *     I want to ask you about your thougths about the variation in proton
>> mass.  Should the variation be measurable with high sensitivity mass
>> spectrometers?
>>
>> Yes and no. This is not unlike the problem of mass-4 similarity between D2
>> and He but more demanding. There could be repeatable statistical variation
>> over a large population within measurement error of the very top level
>> specialty spectrometer, running for substantial time periods. But in an
>> average lab – no way.
>>
>> Given Rossi’s claims, it might even be possible to actually weight the
>> difference on a sensitive scale if the hydrogen sample was say 10 grams of
>> H2 from a blue box which had given up say a gigawatt of heat over 6 months.
>> There are nanogram scales using piezoelectric effects which could be
>> modified.
>>
>> *    I suppose that even a 1% variation would be more than enough to
>> supply all of the nuclear energy that we are seeing since the energy content
>> of the standard mass is so great.
>>
>> Not that large. The usable mass variation for protons appears to be about 70
>> ppm (part per million). If the distribution is a bell curve, then perhaps
>> one third of the population can be further depleted. In short, the average
>> gain possible can be calculated to be about 5,000-10,000 times more than
>> chemical but about 1,000-2,000 times less than nuclear fusion.
>>
>>
>> *    Also, are you aware of any super accurate mass measurements that
>> have shown variation in this factor?
>>
>> I have a collection of published measurements of proton mass (going back to
>> the cold war era) where there were substantial reported variations,
>> especially as seen in Russia. Different instrumentation. Nowadays, everyone
>> automatically seems to use the same value.
>>
>> Jones
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