I agree James. I will be working to set up an electrolysis system. Although the behavior could be quite different in bulk water. I'm going to have to interface the welder with a control system to do single occasional pulses.
I just ran another test with a different material - nitinol. This departed from the behavior I have seen with the other materials in that the experimental and control test look pretty much the same. It is the most intense light yet. See the last picture. http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2014/08/26/sun-cell-lite-testing/ On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:19 PM, James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote: > If the energy release is as great as claimed by Mills then the transformer > losses should be swamped by the energy output. > > If all you have is a particular kind of electrode in contact with water > then the solution is pretty obvious: > > Submerge the electrode in water as a bulk calorimeter, run it for a > reasonable integration period measuring the power input to the transformer > and then get the water temperature rise. > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jack Cole <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't know how to measure the input power. We're talking 2-5V and >> 3000-4000 amps. I'd be scared to hook my oscilloscope up to it. You could >> maybe do it on the supply side from the 110AC with a watt meter, but that >> would be the power going in to the transformer. >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dave, >>> >>> A very thin film of water on a piece of wire should not change the >>> impedance that much. Certainly not explain the clearly more intense light >>> output. There appears to be something going on here. >>> >>> Jack, it might help if you measured the temperature and humidity as you >>> are performing the tests. >>> >>> The output power can be measured with a small solar panel. >>> >>> That leaves the input power. Any ideas on how to measure input power? >>> Other than a watthour meter, I'm out. Although I doubt a common watthour >>> meter would be sensitive enough. Another option is an oscilloscope on the >>> electrodes. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jojo >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* David Roberson <[email protected]> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:01 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt >>> >>> Interesting results Jack. Could it be that with copper only the >>> conductivity of the path is so low that the voltage is nearly shorted out >>> at the pellet? This excellent short might prevent the voltage from rising >>> enough thereby keeping the power and energy into the pellet at a low value. >>> >>> A water film by contrast has much more impedance than copper and that >>> will result in a voltage increase and hence more energy being delivered. >>> What I am describing is related to the concept of matching the source >>> impedance to get the maximum power from the source. In that case an open >>> or short will have zero power delivered. You may have a near zero >>> condition with copper only and a much better power match with the water >>> film. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jack Cole <[email protected]> >>> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tue, Aug 26, 2014 6:39 am >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt >>> >>> It was with a tiny piece of copper wire that I dipped in water and put >>> between the electrodes. The amount of water is minuscule (the amount that >>> managed to adhere to the metal). You don't get that without the water. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> was that the spark with or without fuel (water pellets)? >>>> >>>> >>>> Jojo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Jack Cole <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:15 AM >>>> *Subject:* [Vo]:SunCell - Initial Replication Attempt >>>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> I was excited to receive my spot welder today. After ensuring it was >>>> in working order, I decided to get right to it and see if I could get >>>> anything like what BLP showed. Lo and behold I got something on the first >>>> try. >>>> I remembered Mills talking about all the different possibilities for >>>> types of conductors that they might use in the commercial device, and >>>> copper was one of them. I cut a very small piece of copper wire, dipped it >>>> in water, placed it on the electrodes, hit the switch, and pop with some >>>> bright light! >>>> Here's a link to the vid. Sorry for the bad camera work. >>>> Let me know what you think. I'll do another vid soon in complete >>>> darkness. >>>> http://youtu.be/d6XYqEhwZgA >>>> Jack >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
