Also if two DDL hydrogens fuse is the product a DDL helium?
If they do then the product would tend to look like tritium.

Harry


On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Bob Higgins <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Obviously I have some catch-up posting to do.  I will begin with some of
> the latter comments.
>
> Jones, you exemplify the other side of the coin: "If I thought of it, so
> it must be right."  We stand on the shoulders of giants.  I read and try to
> synthesize the best understanding I can piece together from what I read.
>  The DDL works by Maly & Va'vra are outstanding inputs.  I didn't derive
> the DDL solutions myself, nor, I suspect did you.  You obtained your
> knowledge and opinions of their existence from reading the opinions of
> experts who studied the topic for years.  Do not promote the delusion that
> just because someone has a different opinion that it is based on unsound
> synthesis of the facts and faith.  I do consider Ed Storms an expert as he
> has an order of magnitude more hands on, true analytic experience with this
> technology than perhaps any of us.  We should be grateful that he has
> shared his knowledge so willingly.  I don't accept everything I read at
> face value, but instead weigh facts and expert opinions to synthesize my
> own view.
>
> Basically, your view has now become Mills-ian.  Both you and Mills are
> convinced that all of the excess energy is coming from photon-less
> transitions below hydrogen ground state.  I can see your point - it is just
> not my viewpoint because it doesn't fit all of the facts.
>
> As far as I can see, none of the Ni-H experiments have been analytic in
> the sense that the energy/ atomic event has been estimated based on the
> measurements of the system.  This has been done for Pd-D and the results
> are far more consistent with fusion than they are with DDL transitions.
>  That doesn't mean that DDL energy extraction wasn't happening, only it was
> swamped by a greater energy producing reaction.
>
> As far as a COP of 2 being supportive of DDL vs Fusion - that point is
> ridiculous.  The COP of 2 includes the factor of the (number of events per
> second)(energy per event)/(Power in) +1.  In most Ni-H cases we have zero
> data for the number of events per second and so the COP is completely
> useless as an indicator of what is happening.  A COP of 2 (or anything)
> provides no clue to the value for (energy/event).  A COP of 2 is incredibly
> valuable in pointing out new physics being involved, and may prove to have
> some commercial use.  But it has nothing to do with elucidating the
> reaction mechanism.
>
> You also seem to gloss over your own miracles.  The predictions for DDL
> are that it requires photon-less transitions.  You throw out "spin
> coupling" as a mechanism without any additional chain of reaction that
> would lead to dissipating the large energy available from DDL transition
> [you might as well throw out "ice cream sandwich"].  Are you positing that,
> as per the Va'vra paper that the DDL states are many, and like Mills, you
> are only descending a few levels below the normal ground state?  How are
>  you proposing that coupling occurs?  Spin coupling would be a short range
> event requiring close physical proximity of the descending atom to whatever
> you are proposed it is spin coupled to - closer than a gas phase
> statistical concentration [and it would have to work with the low pressure
> of  Mizuno's experiments].  What is it that you are proposing as the
> concentrating mechanism?  Are you proposing a BEC?  A BEC cannot form at
> these temperatures, but some other nano-magnetically confined condensation
> may exist - only there is no real evidence for them, they are purely
> speculative (until proven they exist, they are just another form of
> miracle).
>
> You stated that Mizuno's experiment had no cracks.  This is another absurd
> statement.  Nano-cracks, as have been implicated by Storms as the NAE,
> would not be visible in an SEM at a scale 100x smaller than what is shown.
>  With the processing that Mizuno described, I can guarantee that there are
> cracks.  Surfaces that appear smooth and single crystalline are the ones
> unlikely to have significant numbers of cracks.  The bubbly features in
> Mizuno's SEM are micron-scale features, not nano-scale features; and the
> features you see are *unlikely* to be those that are responsible for the
> effect.  It is just noted that when Mizuno processed the wire this way, he
> got this morphology at the micron-scale and he got excess heat.  We cannot
> expect to see the nano-scale features in the SEM and can only use these
> SEMs as signposts in trying to reproduce the experiment.
>
> Yeah, the Farnsworth fusor is a strange little device.  It is useful as a
> thermal neutron source and novel light bulb.  I don't see the connection to
> this discussion.  Are you trying to say that production of He and T are
> similar novelties that are unrelated to LENR?
>
> I have been involved in helium leak testing of crystal packages before.  I
> can tell you it is possible to make a good seal against He, and He would
> not pass through in any measurable way through even a millimeter of Pyrex
> over a fairly long duration.  These Heat/He experiments were expected to be
> controversial and the researchers went to great pains to make sure the data
> was many sigma above the background and control.  Experiments of similar
> analytic control simply have not been done (or not reported) for Ni-H.  So,
> we don't know where Ni-H is in terms of energy/event.  You seem to be able
> to dismiss experiments too easily that don't fit with your view.
>
> This business of the gamma in Rossi's experiments coming from an added
> radioactive ingredient is another absolute absurdity.  Focardi, a well
> reputed nuclear scientist, ascribed the measured gamma to the Ni-H reaction
> in his paper.  He would not have associated the gamma seen with the
> reaction if he suspected a radioactive source was an ingredient - he would
> have looked like a fool.  This business of Rossi using a radioactive
> ingredient is a Bozo speculation based on absolutely nothing.  And Rossi is
> not the only one to measure gamma from a LENR experiment - at minimum, Ed
> Storms has also reported this.
>
> Nuclear effects are unquestionably being seen.  What is not clear is the
> balance between possible DDL transitions and nuclear effects.
>
> Bob Higgins
>

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