Very perceptive and a great insight into why the test was setup the way that it was. Rossi has not solved his control issues yet.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <[email protected]> wrote: > Brad, I think part of the problem was control. When you use the hot cat > to actually heat something I suspect it messes with the ability to control > the reaction. The best they can do is let it radiate, which is why the > thermal cameras. > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Brad Lowe <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Does anyone know if there will be a press release or Q&A where the >> experimenters can answer questions? >> It would be extreme negligence to allow Levi or Rossi to open the >> reactor or handle the ash. >> >> Two things that lends credence to Jones' fear-- Rossi's constant "may >> be positive or may be negative" mantra, and Rossi's statements that >> getting actual work accomplished is difficult. If it were a clear COP >> of 3, it should be pretty easy to "heat a tub of water" or do some >> kind of obvious work. >> >> - Brad >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Jones -- I can't say your objections to Rossi being present when it was >> open >> > are unfounded. I think that was a rather stupid move/agreement between >> the >> > parties. Creates all kind of innuendo which they could/should have >> avoided. >> > With that said I'm not so sure it really presented him with much chance >> to >> > "swap the sample", as Mats Lewan wrote: >> > >> > "I don’t have details minute by minute, but I was told one member of the >> > team together with Rossi and a technician opened the reactor in a closed >> > room. A diamond saw had to be used to cut some part before the end plug >> > could be removed. The team member was allowed to pick 10 mg out of the >> > charge which amounted to about 1 gram. This constraint was supposedly >> > imposed by IH. The sample of used fuel could be chosen freely from the >> > charge inside the reactor, which means that if the material was >> manipulated, >> > all of it had to be so. Basically I guess you would have needed to swap >> the >> > reactor for another identical before opening." >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Here is a reduction ad absurdum example of why this experiment was >> >> unbelievably poorly designed. >> >> >> >> NOTE: The experiment could still be gainful, but the Levi’s results do >> not >> >> prove anything, as presented. The thermocouple does not help – it is >> >> admitted by Levi that it was accurate only on the two caps, which were >> >> much >> >> cooler. >> >> >> >> Let’s say I claim to have a hundred watt OU lightbulb that I want to >> sell >> >> to >> >> you for $1 million. If it were a glass bulb, and clear, and I use the >> IR >> >> camera to measure the filament temperature, and then used that >> temperature >> >> to compute the emissivity of the entire surface area of the bulb, say >> 100 >> >> cm^2, then you would cry foul – since the obviously only the surface >> area >> >> of >> >> the filament is responsible. That filament area could be 1 cm^2 and in >> >> effect, I have computed the power of the bulb with a 25:1 overestimate- >> >> based on an incorrect assumption, but based on a correct reading and a >> >> correct formula. >> >> >> >> Next let’s say the bulb presented is frosted, and you are naïve and do >> not >> >> know that it contains a hot filament - but I use the camera to focus >> on an >> >> area of the bulb’s exterior, where from prior experience, I know that >> the >> >> filament radiates the most photons, even if that reading is diminished >> in >> >> intensity from a clear bulb … this technique can still result in a 3:1 >> >> over-estimate of the net emissivity of the bulb, since there is a >> strong >> >> contribution from a hot filament. This can be demonstrated rather >> easily >> >> to >> >> be factual. >> >> >> >> That is the problem with this paper. Levi seems to be telling us only >> >> this: >> >> that if one applies 800 watts to a Inconel wire, it will reach 1300 >> >> degrees. >> >> But we already knew that. >> >> >> >> We cannot extrapolate the emissivity of the resistor wire to the entire >> >> surface of the reactor. As for a thermocouple, placement is >> everything. I >> >> saw NO DATA on calibration of the thermocouple, only that someone who >> >> already screwed up the experiment royally thinks that it verifies what >> >> could >> >> be a grossly incorrect calibration. In fact this is admitted “We also >> >> found >> >> that the ridges made thermal contact with any thermocouple probe >> placed on >> >> the outer surface of the reactor extremely critical, making any direct >> >> temperature measurement with the required precision impossible.” So >> they >> >> admit the thermocouple reading was not done with any precision on the >> >> exterior of the tube – only on the caps which are much cooler and >> >> consequently the thermocouple verifies nothing! >> >> >> >> $64 question: Was Rossi present at the time the reactor was opened? >> >> >> >> If so, and this has been reported on E-Cat World, then that means the >> >> sample >> >> which Bianchini tested was not independently obtained – and could have >> >> been >> >> tampered with by Rossi himself – who is known to have purchased several >> >> grams of Ni-62. >> >> >> >> From: Jed Rothwell >> >> JB: Geeze you are sounding almost as bad as >> Levi - >> >> in not seeing the obvious ... “about the same” is absurd, given what >> >> happens >> >> later. The difference between 486 and 790 is enormous when the delta-T >> is >> >> being raised by a formula which includes a fourth power >> (Stefan–Boltzmann >> >> law) >> >> The temperature was also measured with a thermocouple, >> as >> >> noted. >> >> >> >> Ah, but your point is that even if the the temperature >> is >> >> measured correctly, may not reflect the power correctly. >> >> >> >> That would be a rewrite of the textbooks. In any case, >> a >> >> temperature calibration curve goes down, not up, at higher power >> levels. >> >> >> > >> >> >
