I think the point you are missing is that these heat treatment plants (smelting, glass, etc) are already using electric furnace elements with a COP=1. They are not using coal fired elements. The electricity to drive these furnace elements is largely coming from coal. So if Rossi develops a direct plug-in replacement furnace element that uses 1/3 or less of the electricity, it is a big win for the plant operator and the country because 1/3 coal will be consumed with corresponding less pollution - without serious modification of the customer's equipment.
His competition will be gas-fired furnace elements, which are in less widespread use because operating at that temperature is difficult for a gas furnace element. So Rossi is working on a gas-fired hotCat that will consume 1/3 of the gas to cover that base. On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <[email protected]> wrote: > For sure, but it isn't interesting to take electrical and do a 3:1 COP on > it. what's interesting is to take coal or gas and do a 3:1 COP on it. > But I think if Rossi can do that, than I think he should be pretty close to > just using an eCat for it. > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Bob Higgins <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> It is interesting to note that Rossi's lower temperature eCat arrays >> appear to go into service for heating. >> >> If you look at his hotCats, they are being configured as industrial >> furnace heating elements. Operating at >1000C, these furnace heating >> elements being replaced are mostly electrical with a COP=1 (as Bob Greenyer >> showed, some are gas). A COP=3+ heating element for these industrial >> furnace applications will save a lot of money and coal because coal is >> being used to drive the COP=1 furnace elements today. I think the biggest >> expense for some of these large companies that use heat treatment is the >> energy cost and I think a COP=3+ for a T=1300C+ furnace element will sell >> well. There are no heat pumps in such a high temperature application to >> compete with. In China, pollution is so bad that the real cost of coal is >> high. >> >> The money appears to be in heat at the moment, not in electrical >> production. It is 28F here this morning and we just had our first dusting >> of snow. I could really use a nice COP=3 heater. In cold weather >> climates, even cold weather optimized heat pumps don't operate with a COP >> over 3. There would be a nice home market here. >> >> Bob Higgins >> >> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Interesting posts on e-cat world lately. It's a good point. If coal >>> is so cheap, than a cop of 3:1 for electricity -> thermal isn't going to >>> cut it. >>> >>> They're are going to need to be able to power the cat by coal itself or >>> gas and get a 3:1 thermal -> thermal ratio. >>> >> >> >
