David, Rossi is agreeing on JONP that they need to use gas as well. My question is though if they can use gas, why not use a self-feedback system.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:41 AM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: > Of course the COP=3 argument may not apply when a well designed ECAT is > put into service. My simulations suggest that the geometry of the device > can be adjusted to achieve a higher COP if required. We need to realize > that the testing done by the scientists was not conducted in a manner that > optimized the COP and they stated that in their report. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Higgins <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Nov 5, 2014 10:37 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:COP of 3 is a problem for electrical -> Thermal > > It is interesting to note that Rossi's lower temperature eCat arrays > appear to go into service for heating. > > If you look at his hotCats, they are being configured as industrial > furnace heating elements. Operating at >1000C, these furnace heating > elements being replaced are mostly electrical with a COP=1 (as Bob Greenyer > showed, some are gas). A COP=3+ heating element for these industrial > furnace applications will save a lot of money and coal because coal is > being used to drive the COP=1 furnace elements today. I think the biggest > expense for some of these large companies that use heat treatment is the > energy cost and I think a COP=3+ for a T=1300C+ furnace element will sell > well. There are no heat pumps in such a high temperature application to > compete with. In China, pollution is so bad that the real cost of coal is > high. > > The money appears to be in heat at the moment, not in electrical > production. It is 28F here this morning and we just had our first dusting > of snow. I could really use a nice COP=3 heater. In cold weather > climates, even cold weather optimized heat pumps don't operate with a COP > over 3. There would be a nice home market here. > > Bob Higgins > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Interesting posts on e-cat world lately. It's a good point. If coal is >> so cheap, than a cop of 3:1 for electricity -> thermal isn't going to cut >> it. >> >> They're are going to need to be able to power the cat by coal itself or >> gas and get a 3:1 thermal -> thermal ratio. >> > >
