Ah, ok, thanks. Yes I was missing that On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Bob Higgins <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think the point you are missing is that these heat treatment plants > (smelting, glass, etc) are already using electric furnace elements with a > COP=1. They are not using coal fired elements. The electricity to drive > these furnace elements is largely coming from coal. So if Rossi develops a > direct plug-in replacement furnace element that uses 1/3 or less of the > electricity, it is a big win for the plant operator and the country because > 1/3 coal will be consumed with corresponding less pollution - without > serious modification of the customer's equipment. > > His competition will be gas-fired furnace elements, which are in less > widespread use because operating at that temperature is difficult for a gas > furnace element. So Rossi is working on a gas-fired hotCat that will > consume 1/3 of the gas to cover that base. > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> For sure, but it isn't interesting to take electrical and do a 3:1 COP on >> it. what's interesting is to take coal or gas and do a 3:1 COP on it. >> But I think if Rossi can do that, than I think he should be pretty close to >> just using an eCat for it. >> >> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Bob Higgins <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> It is interesting to note that Rossi's lower temperature eCat arrays >>> appear to go into service for heating. >>> >>> If you look at his hotCats, they are being configured as industrial >>> furnace heating elements. Operating at >1000C, these furnace heating >>> elements being replaced are mostly electrical with a COP=1 (as Bob Greenyer >>> showed, some are gas). A COP=3+ heating element for these industrial >>> furnace applications will save a lot of money and coal because coal is >>> being used to drive the COP=1 furnace elements today. I think the biggest >>> expense for some of these large companies that use heat treatment is the >>> energy cost and I think a COP=3+ for a T=1300C+ furnace element will sell >>> well. There are no heat pumps in such a high temperature application to >>> compete with. In China, pollution is so bad that the real cost of coal is >>> high. >>> >>> The money appears to be in heat at the moment, not in electrical >>> production. It is 28F here this morning and we just had our first dusting >>> of snow. I could really use a nice COP=3 heater. In cold weather >>> climates, even cold weather optimized heat pumps don't operate with a COP >>> over 3. There would be a nice home market here. >>> >>> Bob Higgins >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Blaze Spinnaker < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting posts on e-cat world lately. It's a good point. If coal >>>> is so cheap, than a cop of 3:1 for electricity -> thermal isn't going to >>>> cut it. >>>> >>>> They're are going to need to be able to power the cat by coal itself or >>>> gas and get a 3:1 thermal -> thermal ratio. >>>> >>> >>> >> >
