On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 11:30:50AM +0200, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 02:54:09AM -0600, Corey Wright wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:33:19 +0200 > > Peter Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > i welcome some cooperation from experienced users with supporting > > > ubuntu dapper kernel with stable vserver 2.0.x patch ... no new > > > features, just updated patch every time dapper kernel changes - like > > > vserver 1.2.10 and vanilla kernel 2.4 > > > > as i said in response to Tom Coetser, i don't remember any ubuntu > > security update breaking a vserver patch + merge patch (as something > > always fails from the beginning), so once a vserver patch is developed > > for ubuntu's 2.6.15, it should apply for a long time. > > > > the harder task is backporting any relevant bug fixes in later vserver > > releases to 2.0.1.3 (or whatever version everybody settles on). > > and the merging isn't the hard part, but instead just knowing that > > something needs to be backported. i doubt every fix Herbert applies to > > the current vserver (stable or unstable) he takes into consideration > > every previous release and if its applicable. > > > > rhel has had long release cycles (3 years?), so how have people using > > both rhel and vserver handled it? of course i think i remember rhel's > > kernels being aggressively patched, maybe requiring vserver users to > > forgo those kernels totally. > > > > so who can support dapper vserver kernel? > > > Gerald Hochegger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??? > > > Herbert Poetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ??? > > sure I _could_ support a dapper vserver kernel, but, > and here is the important fact, this would not scale ... > > in the very near future, I'd be supporting 20 different > kernels from at least 10 different distros, and there > would be no time left for development, so some other > model is required to solve this, and it's actually > quite simple ...
dapper kernel isn't (from some point of view) distributions specific - someone still can use only sources and recompile it for own distribution wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.15/linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-19.29_all.deb ar x linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-19.29_all.deb tar xzf data.tar.gz mv usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15.tar.bz2 . rm -f data.tar.gz control.tar.gz debian-binary tar xjf linux-source-2.6.15.tar.bz2 i'm using different distribution (although very close) ... but i want some long supported kernel without many changes - like kernel 2.4 ... i read many articles about 2.6 kernel and support for 2.6.x-1.y ... i want to use vserver 2.x i don't want to use every new vanilla kernel 2.6.x.y.z, bugfixes or new kernel features on my servers ... > a) somebody steps up as 'new' maintainer for a dapper > vserver kernel (preferable stable and devel) > > b) that somebody commits himself/herself to tracking > changes in dapper _and_ vserver in the forseeable > future > > c) that person contacts me and we arrange to do an > initial port on that kernel, something which can > be considered a _known_good_ state > > d) extensive testing has to follow, we don't want to > have folks run into merge issues, this is where > the dapper-vserver community comes into play ok - i can test initial port on my servers ... but i'm using only kernel source from dapper ... utils and distribution is Debian Sarge (+ backports) [and i have my optimized specific kernel config for our servers - but some unofficial .deb packages from dapper kernel source can be published] > e) all changes to stable and devel are released in > small patches, which the maintainer has to check > and if required discuss with me > > f) feedback from the dapper-vserver community, may > if be bugs, issues or feature requests will go > to that person, which will filter them and, if > applicable relay them to mainstream development i can help with testing and patching - so i tried it, but i had problem with one hunk ... patch for dapper kernel will be usable for more people ... look at this thread ... some links: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/devel/kernel-patch-vserver http://www2.uni-klu.ac.at/support/VServer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VServer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDelayAnnouncement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperGoals The Dapper Drake release of Ubuntu will be supported for 5 years on servers, and 3 years on desktops. and once again: i want some 2.6 kernel without many changes - only with security updates ... any idea? (IMHO dapper kernel source is NOW the best for me) so i can help with testing, patching - if my skills are enough ;-) -- 5o Peter.Mann at tuke.sk _______________________________________________ Vserver mailing list [email protected] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
