Leland,
Have you ever tried your popper in any lakes for trout?
I'm headed up to BC in June and got some smallmouth "sliders" over at local fly shop
that are a cross between an olive woolly bugger and a reversed popper. Similar to the
ones you do except these are tied on a long shank hook. Well, I thought these
would/could/may work for trout keying on food on the surface.
I've talked to Phil Rowley on this a couple of times and he's also curious about what
the results will be.
Just trying to stir up a discussion or some thoughts.
Bill Warner
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:24 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Dry Falls
>
> Looks like I will be putting the Midge Cripple, that I just sent the
> instructions to Don Shearer for, and my Zelon Callibaetis to work this
> weekend in Spokane.
>
> But not till I give the Narrows a shot tomorrow morning. No callibaetis, though.
>
> Leland.
>
>
> >I've just learned to make posts out of yarn. You guys are so sophisticated.
> >I'm impressed.
> >Les
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Leland Miyawaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:50 AM
> >Subject: Re: Dry Falls
> >
> >
> >> I'm a big fan of zelon. I have been using crinkled zelon (which I have
> >been
> >> buying from Blue Ribbon Flies - dyed specifically for flytying) for my
> >> posts on parachute flies such as adams (callibaetis, bwo/baetis, gray and
> >> green drakes). I mash the posts down and they become part of the wing
> >> impression. I have also found that the darker colors, particularly gray,
> >> are much more visible to me than the white or orange posts, especially in
> >> moving water.
> >>
> >> Leland.
> >>
> >> >Another great use of super glue. Les mentioned the "cripple" being a
> >great
> >> >pattern. On that note, I think it is primarily due to the visible wing;
> >> >that to me, is the "trigger" mechanism. Standup wings, as they enter the
> >> >fish's window, do not show up in the fly profile like the forward tilting
> >> >wing. A great, proven pattern is the parachute. Here CAN be an
> >> >improvement. Use floating yarn as a post. It comes in grey, for a
> >natural
> >> >look, and visible white if that works for you to see it; other colors as
> >> >well. Now, don't go sparingly with the post. It will depend on the size
> >of
> >> >the fly, but use "enough" to do the next step. After wrapping the
> >feather
> >> >around the post. (I like the Mike Lawson way of finishing the fly and
> >then
> >> >attatching the feather and wrapping counter-clockwise with the feather
> >and
> >> >finishing off by catching the feather with the thread at the head and
> >> >forming the head. When you catch it this way, you continue to tighten
> >the
> >> >feather. Now, take your thumb and push down, squawsh the post spreading
> >out
> >> >the post. Easy to do and it will make a "halo" wing around the body with
> >> >the front portion tilted forward. It is visible to the fish from all
> >> >angles. Put a drop of super glue right in the middle of the
> >"halo"...wing
> >> >stays perfect and feather won't come off. If there is a drawback to the
> >> >parachute, lots of good features, but the wing profile is not as good as
> >the
> >> >cripple and other patterns.....now it is. Jere
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Les Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:07 AM
> >> >Subject: Re: Dry Falls
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Right! Actually I have been using Quick Tite super glue. It comes in a
> >> >handy
> >> >> little brush bottle. Gene Gudger, a chironomid junkie of the first
> >order
> >> >> gave me the tip.
> >> >> Les
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----->
> >> >> From: "Warner, Paul W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:03 AM
> >> >> Subject: RE: Dry Falls
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > One thing Les left out that's important unless you tie very fast or
> >are
> >> >a
> >> >> fly tying "addict" is to coat the body with either Sally Hansen's nail
> >> >> polish or Soft Body. Even with a coating on the fly the fish still
> >rip
> >> >> the flies up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have a tattered chromie proudly sitting in my chironimid box that I
> >> >see
> >> >> everytime I open the box up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've been using that pattern since last May and it seems to work in
> >just
> >> >> about every chronie hatch.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Bill W
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > ----------
> >> >> > > From: Les Johnson[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> >> > > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:15 AM
> >> >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> > > Subject: Re: Dry Falls
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The Chromie is a pattern listed in Phil Rowley's new book, Fly
> >> >Patterns
> >> >> for
> >> >> > > Stillwaters. This is a very good chironomid that is often quite
> >> >> effective.
> >> >> > > Hook: Tiemco 2457 (use any wet fly hook). Body: silver flashabout
> >> >> (thin).
> >> >> > > Rib: single strand of red flashabou or red wire. throax: few turns
> >of
> >> >> > > peacock herl. black bead head. Gills: tuft of white sparkle yarn.
> >> >> > > I bought the book. Phil Rowley knows his stuff. He is an
> >experienced
> >> >> > > stillwater angler who counts Gordon Honey and Brian Chan among his
> >> >> regular
> >> >> > > fishing buddies. A lot of knowlege in that trio.
> >> >> > > Good Luck!
> >> >> > > Les Johnson
> >> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > From: "flyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:16 AM
> >> >> > > Subject: Re: Dry Falls
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > I hope you don't mind me asking but I don't know a lot about fly
> >> >> patterns.
> >> >> > > > Is that pattern listed in a book or is it a pattern that gets
> >passed
> >> >> only
> >> >> > > > between friends?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Thank you,
> >> >> > > > Ray :-)
> >> >> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:43 PM
> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: Dry Falls
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > > I fished Lenice on Monday (may 14). Left my home in
> >Leavenworth
> >> >at
> >> >> > > 4.45am
> >> >> > > > > and was on water somewhere around 7.00am. It was cloudy ,
> >trying
> >> >to
> >> >> > > > rain,with
> >> >> > > > > wind gusting very strongly. I was hopeful that if the wind died
> >> >down
> >> >> > > there
> >> >> > > > > would be a good Callibaetis hatch. Conditions remained very
> >> >> difficult,
> >> >> > > > making
> >> >> > > > > it almost impossible to anchor my tube in deep water and fish
> >the
> >> >> column
> >> >> > > > with
> >> >> > > > > midge patterns - my favourite form of 'below the surface' still
> >> >> water
> >> >> > > > > fishing. One has to watch the end of the line with the
> >> >concentration
> >> >> of
> >> >> > > a
> >> >> > > > > hungry heron, and that is close to impossible when there is big
> >> >wave
> >> >> > > > action.
> >> >> > > > > Wave action also gives the fly down below an unnatural
> >movement,
> >> >> which
> >> >> > > is
> >> >> > > > not
> >> >> > > > > conducive to a fifty fish day. This can be mitigated in some
> >> >degree
> >> >> by
> >> >> > > > > keeping the last third of the rod under the water which dampens
> >> >the
> >> >> up
> >> >> > > and
> >> >> > > > > down movement of the fly to some degree. But then you cannot>
> >> >watch
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > > line
> >> >> > > > > and have to rely on the tactile sense only - again not
> >conducive
> >> >to
> >> >> > > fifty
> >> >> > > > > fish a day .............Anyway, I resigned myself to to finning
> >> >> close in
> >> >> > > > to
> >> >> > > > > shore and fishing scuds, mayfly nymphs and damsel nymphs around
> >> >the
> >> >> > > > tulles.
> >> >> > > > > Action was very slow, two fish to hand by mid-day.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > I was in two minds to call it a day, but for some reason
> >decided
> >> >to
> >> >> hang
> >> >> > > > in
> >> >> > > > > there in the hopes of the wind dropping and the promise of a
> >> >mayfly
> >> >> > > > hatch -
> >> >> > > > > exclusive of the wind, the weather was just right for one.
> >There
> >> >was
> >> >> > > bird
> >> >> > > > > action all over the lake but for the life of me I could not see
> >> >what
> >> >> > > they
> >> >> > > > > were taking , nor could I see any rising pupae or floating
> >shucks.
> >> >> At 67
> >> >> > > > the
> >> >> > > > > eyes are not what they used to be, but this was getting
> >ridiculous
> >> >> !!
> >> >> > > > > However, at about 5.00pm the wind dropped and I saw one mayfly,
> >> >not
> >> >> two
> >> >> > > or
> >> >> > > > > three or fifty but one, but it was enough to get the old
> >carcass
> >> >off
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > > > bank, into the tube and back into the fray. That was the mayfly
> >> >> hatch>
> >> >> > > for
> >> >> > > > the
> >> >> > > > > day. Not a fish dimple to be seen in any direction - but by
> >god,
> >> >the
> >> >> > > wind
> >> >> > > > was
> >> >> > > > > down and I was going to rip fifty fishes lips or die in the
> >> >attempt.
> >> >> I
> >> >> > > > > anchored off in in deep water (for Lenice) from 5.10 pm till
> >7.35
> >> >pm
> >> >> in
> >> >> > > > water
> >> >> > > > > which varied from 16' to 22'; I like to know at exactly what
> >depth
> >> >I
> >> >> am
> >> >> > > > > fishing when fishing the column; in a float tube I use a
> >hand-held
> >> >> depth
> >> >> > > > > finder put out by MarCum Ent,Inc.in Minnesota. It is about the
> >> >size
> >> >> of a
> >> >> > > > > standard flash light and is used primarily by ice fisherman.
> >> >Cabela
> >> >> > > sells
> >> >> > > > > them under the name of 'Polar Vision' and they are a jewel of a
> >> >> tool.
> >> >> > > With
> >> >> > > > > this kind of sub-surface fishing I do not use a full sink line,
> >> >but
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > > > slowest intermediate line sold by Airflo with a fast
> >intermediate
> >> >8'
> >> >> > > > leader,
> >> >> > > > > then about 6' of 3 pound test tippet (sometimes 5 pound test)
> >and,
> >> >> as I
> >> >> > > > > choose never to weight my flies for still water use, 1 lead
> >shot
> >> >> crimped
> >> >> > > > > about 12" above the fly itself. Back to business......... I
> >> >suceeded
> >> >> in
> >> >> > > > > losing the first six fish I hooked (this was becoming one hell
> >of
> >> >a
> >> >> > > day),
> >> >> > > > > until I realised I had a bad spool of tippet material. From
> >then
> >> >on
> >> >> I
> >> >> > > > never
> >> >> > > > > looked back, from the time I hooked the first fish till I quit
> >at
> >> >> way
> >> >> > > > after
> >> >> > > > > seven it really was a fish a cast. Keep in mind it takes time
> >for
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > > line
> >> >> > > > > and fly to sink and often longer to tweak it back up again.
> >That
> >> >> evening
> >> >> > > > fish
> >> >> > > > > were breathing the fly in on the way down, on the bottom and
> >also
> >> >at
> >> >> all
> >> >> > > > > levels on the way back. I am sure that some of these fish were
> >> >> following
> >> >> > > > the
> >> >> > > > > fly up before taking it , if it was still a way down they would
> >> >> gently
> >> >> > > > suck
> >> >> > > > > it in, if close to the surface they would whack it. I used
> >only
> >> >> one
> >> >> > > > pattern
> >> >> > > > > of fly all evening in two sizes, my fellow countryman (if he>
> >still
> >> >> > > claims
> >> >> > > > to
> >> >> > > > > be a Brit) Phil Rowley's Chromie in sizes 10 and 12. It is a
> >> >> > > remarkably
> >> >> > > > > effective fly. How many fish did I catch ? I truly do not
> >know,
> >> >I
> >> >> have
> >> >> > > > long
> >> >> > > > > ago quit the counting game. However, the rainbows ranged from
> >17"
> >> >to
> >> >> 22"
> >> >> > > > with
> >> >> > > > > 2 small browns of about 10 to 12 inches.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Moral of this story ? It pays to hang in there, if you have
> >> >nothing
> >> >> > > > better
> >> >> > > > > to do.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > DAB
> >> >> > > > >
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