I haven't seen him reply to this and don't know if he's still on the list, but Scott is probably the most expert I know on the subject matter at hand and his contact info is as follows:
Scott Craig Fisheries Biologist, USFWS 360.534.9320 [EMAIL PROTECTED] He presented to our club a couple of times, once on dollies and I am certain he can help in the identification process. --- Jim Speaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Kent. That's really interesting - I'll have > to get a photo next time > for positive ID. > > That adds a bit of a twist to this thread since > there is the possibility > that someone might kill a dollie thinking it's a > brookie. Certainly > reinforces my no-kill ethic for wild trout - I > certainly wouldn't want to > make a mistake like that! > > Thanks again. > Jim Speaker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of Kent Lufkin > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 7:47 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Small creek fishing report > > > I fished the SF Snoqualmie under the Fire Acedemy > bridge with my > then-9 year old daughter a couple years ago. We > caught several > Dollies (possibly Bull Trout) up to 9 inches that > were definitely NOT > brookies. > > Kent Lufkin > > >Speaking of brookies and the S Fork Snoqualmie, > Washington Trout believes > >there may be some native char (Dollies, probably > not Bull Trout) in the S > >Fork. If anybody believes they catch one there, WT > would love to hear from > >you. It may be, however, that reports of char > there may actually have been > >brookies. > > > >Ed Morrison > >From the south fork of the Snoqualmie > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jim Speaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 3:31 PM > >Subject: RE: Small creek fishing report > > > > > >> S Fork Snoqualmie has brookies too, but the > numbers are much lower than > >the > >> rainbows. I'd guess there are at least 10:1 > rainbows:brookies. The > >> brookies are rare, a very few are good size (up > to 11" to hand) and I > >> actually consider them a treat up there. > >> > >> -tight lines- > >> Jim Speaker > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Sean Grier > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:02 AM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: Small creek fishing report > >> > >> > >> As have I. And yes, the lake did cut off the > cutts (pun intended). > Some > >> old buddies of mine from when I lived down there > get together each year > >and > >> use Timothy as base camp. We take the middle of > the day when nothing is > >> biting and fish the upper or lower Oak Grove and > catch and kill brookies > >> every time. Unfortunately, ODFW used to (may > have quit by now) plant > >> brookies in many of the Mt. Hood area lakes. > >> Timothy has some monsters in it. Might be worth > trying Homer's, err.... > >> Phil's idea of a sculpin pattern there near the > dam... My buddies > should > >be > >> heading out right now for the annual Western > Flyfishing Open IV. > >> Unfortunately, being laid off has nixed my > inclusion in the trip this > year > >> (thanks again you middle eastern terrorist > ba@#$rds!!!). We'd usually > go > >> and try to hit the big hex hatch on Timothy and > >> (somewhat) nearby Lost Lake. > >> > >> Sean > >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> > I fished the Oak Grove fork above the lake, in > the big meadow, a > couple > >> years ago and all we caught were brookies. We > released them all though. > I > >> wonder if the formation of the lake has cut that > area off from the > >> cutthroats? I believe that whatever species are > in the lake have the > >ability > >> to swim upstream to the meadow, but we didn't > see anything else. > >> > > >> > Ross > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > No problem, Brian. I probably came off > sounding kinda snotty, > anyway. > >> Didn't mean to.... > >> > > > >> > > There's a great little stream east of > Portland called the Oak Grove > >fork > > > of the Clackamas. Although it's a tailwater > (feeding out of Timothy > >Lake), > > > there's still tons of beautiful wild, native > coastal cutts in it up to > >16". > > > The TU chapter there that I belonged to when I > lived in Vancouver, WA > >kinda > >> took that stream as it's personal crusade. I > remember during a fish > >> counting outing that also doubled as > >> > > a fishing expedition, we were told by the > local ODFW Biologist to > keep > >> and kill ANY and all brooks we found. You can > imagine trying to get a > >bunch > >> of dyed-in-the-wool C&R TU'ers to kill ANYTHING > with fins, but we did. > >The > >> group of us were broken up into teams of two and > given a beat on the > >stream > >> to fish and count. The guys closest to the > lake, of course, caught the > >> largest amount of brookies, but we > >> > > all landed some. So I'm not surprised at > hearing the ratios you > talk > >> about. Sad, very sad. Maybe we can talk to > WDFW and see if they have > the > >> same attitude towards non-native invasive > species and ways that we can > >help > >> return fisheries like you experienced to some > level of balance. Were > you > >> perhaps fishing one of the tributaries of the > Cispus, by chance? I've > > > caught lots of brookies in the lakes > >> > > feeding those tribs, though never seen any > in the Cispus itself. > >> > > > >> > > Sean > >> > > > >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Sean, > >> > > > I stand corrected. I should have used the > wild (not planted) > rather > >> then native. These were definitely brookies, not > dollies. We didn't > catch > >> any cutts in these streams. The brookies > outnumbered the bows by about > 10 > >to > >> 1. They were starting to signs of becoming > stunted due to the numbers in > >the > >> creek. Some of the 7 inchers looked like they > were about maxed > >> > > out size wise. Small bodies with big heads. > >> > > > Brian > === message truncated === ===== http://www.geocities.com/salmn8r/caddisforkids.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
