> From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I am testing a Dvico PCI digital tuner card with iTele.app and the
> MMInput Drivers. Seems promising.
> I can record digital broadcasts with this but have so far been unable
> to view the live feed, stay tuned...

EyeTV has been the most reliable, simple, feature-rich solution I've come
across.  Even Miglia and others are now using Elgato's EyeTV software with
their hardware.  Most of these solutions avoid PCI and are available as
external boxes using USB 2 or Firewire to connect to the Mac.  They have the
advantage of not requiring a PCI slot equipped Mac.

You might like to check out the new Cinergy Hybrid T USB XS that I mentioned
in a previous post which is the first to have built-in digital (DTT) and
analog TV tuners (the later so you can receive Access 31 if you really want
to!) as well as having composite and S-VHS video inputs for converting your
old analog video tapes etc.  And it is tiny - the size of a USB Thumb drive.
Not bad for 129 euros:

http://tven.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2
36

And EyeTV 2.2 now supports the Cinergy device:

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=14672

You would however need a Mac with USB 2 and I'm not sure how much this
beastie would load up your CPU compared to our EyeTV 400.

> So I am hoping a cheap-ish Mac can take on the jobs that the Zensonic
> was doing, with the added function of recording TV.
> LAN access is a bonus too..
>
> I guess I need to find a graphics card with S-Video out.

As far as outputting to a TV is concerned, we have used the composite video
out adapter on my PowerBook and our iMac to display on our LG 68cm TV and it
works ok, but of course interlaced PAL video (even s-video) just doesn't
compare to non-interlaced VGA/XGA etc) on the screen of the iMac (or the
projector).  When we're not using the data projector we far prefer watching
TV on the built-in 17" (43cm) widescreen LCD screen of the iMac than on the
larger but fuzzier non-widescreen 68cm TV.  We just position the iMac on the
coffee table closer to us and it works fine.

It also means we can do other things with the Mac like browse the web for TV
show listings to copy and paste into EyeTV, run iTunes, do video capture and
DVD authoring etc on a nice high quality screen without having to drop the
resolution to horrible flickering PAL which requires you to squint to try
and read the small text on menus etc.  Even with convolution (blurring
single pixel horizontal lines so they merge over several lines of interlaced
video and don't flicker quite so badly), computer images on TV are really
only usable with large font sizes and resolutions no greater than 768 x 576
- the theoretical max resolution of PAL. In reality you may only get
viewable results at 512 x 384.  It's like looking at your computer through a
keyhole. 

Also, try sitting as far away from your computer monitor as you do from your
TV and you'll see that even on a good quality non-interlaced computer
monitor you'll only be able to comfortably read 24 or 36 point text.

One option that does work well with an interlaced TV though is to use a Mac
with Extended desktop capability to allow you to have your TV in it's usual
location and a smaller VGA screen close to your lounge seat running at the
same time.  That way you can drag your live TV or recorded video programs
over to the bigger TV screen while you have the menus, web browsing etc
easily readable on the smaller VGA screen next to your seat.  Quite useful
when one person wants to browse the web or other things on the computer
while the other watches TV using the EyeTV remote control to pause or fast
forward the live TV or recorded program.

> It sounds like ATI offerings have the edge over Nvidia with S-Video
> quality.

I haven't tried any recent PCI cards with video-out so couldn't say.
 
> What is the 'slowest' Mac someone is using to do this sort of thing?

Before we got our 1.8GHz iMac G5, we were using an old 450MHz PowerMac G4
with 256MB of RAM with an EyeTV 400 to record digital TV and display it
through a data projector in our lounge.  It worked well as the EyeTV 400
does all of its processing in the box.  It had problems (dropped frames and
stuttering) playing back a recording while also playing live TV in a second
window, but it wasn't bad for such an old RAM-starved Mac.  My 1.25GHz
PowerBook G4 with 2GB of RAM but a slow internal Hard disk also works fine
with the EyeTV 400 and unlike the old Powermac, can playback multiple
digital TV windows at once without stuttering.
 
> I also need to speak to an aerial installer, any recommendations?

I installed our aerial and replaced our old rusted coax with new
digital-ready RG-6 cable myself.  Pretty easy to do really.
 
> Thank you (sorry, I know I write long posts ;)

That's ok, I write long replies.  :-)
 
> Paul

-Mart

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