Hi Steven Yeh, I think you're right on the most offensive! (And glad you didn't take it as a dig. It's always sometimes hard to get gestures across on email, so I always try make sure things don't get taken the wrong way) :o)) (smiley faces are always a good safe bet)
Makes you wonder who's making the money on the cartridges though, as I can definitely say as a cartridge supplier, there really is not that much margin in them! I suppose by the time everyone add's their little "cut", it all adds up. But yes, I'd much rather pay a bit more for my printer (knowing that it lasts longer) and pay less for the cartridges. Glad you like the Epson range. I've always been happy with them. Hence why I have no problems ever recommending them. But yes, thy don't do an A3 unfortunately. They used to also do laser printers and they got out of that too. (Which is a shame as my Epson Colour C1100N has just chugged away for years! And barely eats toners at all!) I love it. I dread the day something goes wrong with it,....touch wood. Brother do a nice A3 colour multifunction printer though. That may be worth a look too ;) Just to add more to the pile,..lol ;) Kind Regards Daniel On 21/10/10 8:58 PM, "Steven Knowles" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't disagree with you Daniel, and I definitely don't take it as a dig. > Printers and printer consumables must be right up there in terms of the > world's offensive on the environment. > > Hey, maybe we can lobby the government ... legislate for no more home > printers! Publicly accessible printers only, wireless connectivity makes it > possible. Collect your hardcopy from any nearby printer after putting in your > PIN code. System charges your Paypal, periodically, based on usage. Printers > can be housed in weather-proof cubicles, onboard web cams dissuading passing > hoons from putting the boot in ... might be a good use for all those public > telephone boxes which don't get used anymore (do they even exist? Can't say I > know where a public telephone is anymore). I'd post my letter to Ms Gillard > right now, except I don't have my printer yet. > > I did find some time to take a peek at the Epson products online by the way. > They look good, but couldn't see any multifunctions with anything bigger than > an A4 flatbed, which has evolved into a must-have for me. Marlene, only good > reports about Epson if A4 flatbeds are good for you. > > Steven > > On 21/10/2010, at 10:14 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: > >> >> Hi Steven >> >> Without starting a flame war, and please realise I'm not making a dig at >> you, or anyone else for that matter,... >> But this first thing always bothers me with these printers. >> The amount of "good waste" that we all go through with new printers that are >> still good, but it's cheaper to buy a whole printer then cartridges. What it >> must be doing to our landfill and environment. >> It's unfortunate. And although we can't really lay blame. As consumer's >> we're always look for something cheaper, and so the manufacturer make >> something cheaper (then get us on the cartridges). It's the chicken and egg >> situation. Do we blame them for making cheaper printer, or do they blame us >> for asking for "cheap". >> I do remember not that long ago when I worked for RandomAccess (ok, yes that >> would be nearly 10 years,..omg that long!) when printers were in factor >> dearer and cartridges were cheaper. That didn't take long to change. >> And we see it happen with a lot of things these days. >> Quality used to be better and last longer. Now nearly everything is a throw >> away society. >> But I digress.... >> I try and keep my printers as long as possible and get the most out of them. >> Or pass them off to family or friends that don't have a printer (or when >> dies). I look at it that way, that at least I'm doing something. ;o) >> But yes,..it does make it very hard they way printers and cartridges work >> now. >> >> Again, not trying to point fingers,..just wanted to mention my view on it ;) >> >> Kind Regards >> Daniel >> >> >> On 21/10/10 7:19 PM, "Steven Knowles" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I like your suggestion David. Sounds sensible to me ... my understanding is >>> that the manufacturers often lose, maybe break even, on the printer itself >>> in >>> cunning anticipation of making fat margins on consumables thereafter. Your >>> move puts a bullet in that plan! :-) >>> >>> Daniel, after your Epson recommendation I'd probably take a closer look at >>> Epson, but I'm all out of steam looking at printers - head is spinning. Too >>> much choice. >>> >>> Marlene, I've had a mind change after taking a look at printers in a couple >>> of >>> stores today. I've moved from Canon to HP. I came across an HP Officejet Pro >>> 8500, and when lifting the lid noticed that the flatbed looked larger than >>> the >>> others. It is. The 8500 has a flatbed scanning size which accommodates >>> foolscap (legal) size paper. For me, that can be pretty handy at times. I >>> couldn't find any Canon's on display which went beyond the usual A4 size >>> flatbed. Bear in mind though that even if the flatbed takes only up to A4, I >>> think scanning via the document feeder allows you to scan longer documents. >>> My >>> fear with scanning via the document feeder is that if it's an important or >>> flimsy document, document feeders tear your original to shreds. >>> >>> The I spotted the newer 8500A. I assumed that must have a few extra features >>> than the 8500, however the 8500A on display had only an A4 size flatbed. The >>> Officeworks salesman claimed that that was a difference, and that if I >>> wanted >>> the bigger flatbed, I had to run with the older 8500. Coming home I've >>> checked >>> the HP web site, and not surprisingly the Officeworks salesman had it wrong. >>> The 8500A comes in four different models ... the A910a, A910g & A910k (8500A >>> Plus), and A910n (8500A Premium). Seems what I was looking at was the A910a >>> because the A910g & A910n has the bigger flatbed. (Click here for other >>> differences between 8500A models). >>> >>> I came across the Officejet 7500A wide format model as well. Ability to >>> print >>> to A3 is nice, but it doesn't provide a duplexing function (ie. double sided >>> printing & scanning), so that takes eliminates the 7500A for me. >>> >>> So, I'm about to go online and order the 8500A A910g from somewhere. >>> >>> Cheers, Steven >>> >>> >>> On 21/10/2010, at 3:47 PM, David Noel wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, I'm not an expert here, but the last time my (inkjet) printer started >>>> playing up, I got a Canon MP140 Pixma from Officeworks for about $50. It >>>> was >>>> one of their cheapest, and may have been a promotion. It's behaved very >>>> well >>>> really, the scanning software is pretty intuitive and flexible, there is an >>>> Omnipage facility for character recognition. >>>> >>>> I do remember a WAMUG member who said when his inkjet printer run out of >>>> ink, >>>> he just went and bought another machine, at $50 a pop you can do this! >>>> Every >>>> time I have got a new printer, the accompanying software has been a step >>>> up. >>>> So that is a possible strategy for you, go and get the cheapest Canon which >>>> does what you want, and if it plays up, get a new one! >>>> >>>> Cheers -- >>>> >>>> David Noel >>>> 2010 Oct 21 >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> >>>> On 21 October 2010 12:44, Steven Knowles <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi Marlene >>>> >>>> I've had a couple of recommendations. Apparently Choice ranked most highly >>>> the Dell V715w, followed by the Lexmark IntuitionS505. I hadn't even >>>> thought >>>> about those brands. I've looked at other reviews of the V715w - seems that >>>> it's ink-hungry, and there was some mention that Dells aren't Mac >>>> compatible >>>> or Mac friendly. Plus I read Dell-branded printers are made by Lexmark. Who >>>> knows, but too many negative review for me to get comfortable. >>>> >>>> What I've decided to do is run with Canon. Big name, big range, >>>> Mac-friendly >>>> I'm told, and generally positive reviews on most models. I don't know what >>>> model yet, Canon told me Harvey Norman have the largest range on show, so >>>> I'll drop into Harvey Norman today perhaps to see if I can find something >>>> which does what I need, including double-sided printing and scanning, >>>> wireless. Then I'l ring around for the best deal. Harris Technologies has >>>> always been very competitive. Don't know what it's like these days. >>>> >>>> From what I've read in reviews, the Canon Pixma range ranks highly, so I >>>> think you're on the right track. >>>> >>>> Cheers, Steven >>>> >>>> >>>> On 21/10/2010, at 12:08 PM, Marlene Oostryck wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Steven >>>>> >>>>> I'm glad you asked your "dumb" question as I too have been looking at the >>>>> shops recently with a view to purchasing a Multi-function printer - so I >>>>> am >>>>> looking at the responses you get. >>>>> >>>>> There is just such a huge range out there and it is so hard to decide what >>>>> is right. All the retail "experts" have a different view! - and not many >>>>> know what works well with Macs. >>>>> I want my printer mainly for black and white text printing for home use - >>>>> (photo prints I do at Harvey Norman). I also want to scan and copy. Don't >>>>> need the fax. I will use usb connection. >>>>> The main concern is best value for ink useage and the recommendations seem >>>>> to be - go for a middle range (better value ink cartridges). >>>>> I know laser printers are better value re ink - but the footprint is too >>>>> large for my desk - so inkjet is the way I will go. >>>>> I'm considering a Canon Pixma MP560 - but would love some personal >>>>> recommendations from WAMUG users. >>>>> >>>>> Office Works have some good deals now, and JB Hi-Fi are offering 50% off >>>>> ink >>>>> (limit of 3) with a printer purchase. >>>>> >>>>> Good hunting, Steven! >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Marlene >>>>> >>>>> On 20/10/2010, at 10:32 AM, Steven Knowles wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> At risk of asking a dumb question due to the multitude of options, I need >>>>>> to grab a (preferably wireless but can hook into TC if not) multifunction >>>>>> office printer / scanner. Not so bothered about a fax function - who uses >>>>>> fax these days - but it'll probably have that anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> Printing volume will be minimal, so will scanning for that matter, but >>>>>> just >>>>>> need one around since my HP Officejet 7210 died. >>>>>> >>>>>> Interested in views on the best Mac-friendly brand available at the >>>>>> moment. >>>>>> Anyone know what Choice recommended in their Multifunction printer >>>>>> report? >>>>>> I'll buy it if not. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, Steven > > > > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: <daniel @ macwizardry . com . au> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> **For everything Macintosh** -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]>
