I'm pleased Marlene that I was able to save you a 'late payment fee' ... It was 
worth coming off "My supposed to be Break from WAMUG"!

Kind Regards,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4

On 16/01/2013, at 6:08 PM, Marlene Oostryck <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Ronni
> 
> Many thanks for this clarification.
> 
> In my ignorance I disabled Java and Javascript and then found I could not 
> access Westpac on-line to pay my Visa bill. I rushed up to the bank to pay in 
> person, but unfortunately they had just closed.
> After reading your latest message I re-enabled Javascript and now find access 
> to Westpac banking is OK.
> My thanks for your timely information - and for saving me a late payment fee!
> 
> Regards
> 
> Marlene Oostryck
> 
> 
> On 16/01/2013, at 4:38 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Merv (sorry about calling you Bill),
>> 
>> A similar discussion is going on today on GMUG (who I also give my support 
>> to).
>> A few members were confusing Java and JavaScript, so I posted this to GMUG.
>> Might be also of interest to WAMUG members.
>> 
>> DON'T get confused with Java and JavaScript... They are completely different!
>> 
>> The JavaScript programming language, developed by Netscape, Inc., is not 
>> part of the Java platform. 
>> JavaScript, does not create applets or stand-alone applications. In its most 
>> common form today, JavaScript resides inside HTML documents, and can provide 
>> levels of interactivity to web pages that are not achievable with simple 
>> HTML. 
>> 
>> What are the differences between Java and JavaScript?
>> 
>> Java and JavaScript are completely different, and are related only by the 
>> inclusion of "Java" in the name.  
>> The inclusion of the "Java" name in "JavaScript" was the result of a 
>> co-marketing arrangement between Netscape and Sun Microsystems back when 
>> Netscape was a dominant web browser, in exchange for Netscape bundling Java 
>> Runtime Environment (JRE) with its browser.
>> 
>> Java is a programming language designed to run applets in a Java Virtual 
>> Machine on any computer/device that supports a Java Virtual Machine.  Java 
>> applets generally do not interact with the Web page itself, but usually runs 
>> as a "standalone" program embedded in a Web page.  ParaChat software offers 
>> a Java applet option so you can embed a Java chat room in your web page.
>> 
>> JavaScript (originally known as "LiveScript") is a scripting language that 
>> runs inside of an Internet browser to manipulate and enhance the contents of 
>> Web pages. JavaScript is designed to expand the capabilities of a web page 
>> so that it behaves more like a program than just a static page of text and 
>> images.
>> 
>> Key differences between the Java and JavaScript.
>> * Java is an OOP ( object oriented programming) language while Java Script 
>> is an OOP scripting language.
>> * Java creates applications that run in a virtual machine or browser while 
>> JavaScript code is run on a browser only.
>> * Java code needs to be compiled while JavaScript code are all in text.
>> * They require different plug-ins.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> On 16/01/2013, at 3:59 PM, Merv Bond <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> In my life I have been called many things. I had no objection to being 
>>> called Bill as my second name is William.
>>> Thank you for the many points you have clarified on this string.
>>> Cheers
>>> Merv
>>> 
>>> On 16/01/13 2:11 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 16/01/2013, at 11:17 AM, Bill Parker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Ronni,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another Bill here.
>>>> 
>>>> Hi the real Bill, I thought I was originally replying to you; but it was 
>>>> Merv (I am supposed to be on a break from WAMUG so that is my excuse for 
>>>> using the incorrect name :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just looking at my Firefox Plugins and see Adobe Acrobat NPAPI 10.1.5
>>>> 
>>>> That plugin is for viewing PDFs in Firefox with Adobe Reader instead of 
>>>> the Preview application.
>>>>> 
>>>>> and
>>>>> 
>>>>> Java Applet 14.5.0
>>>> 
>>>> Mozilla has announced that they are also now blocking the Java plug-in 
>>>> unless the user specifically authorizes it to run by clicking on the 
>>>> warning message for the plug-in.
>>>> <https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/01/11/protecting-users-against-java-vulnerability/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no other Java named plug-ins.
>>>> 
>>>> Is Firefox the only web browser you have installed? If not check any other 
>>>> Web Browser.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ronni
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> On 15/01/2013, at 8:13 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Java has not been safe for some time, we have recommended on WAMUG 
>>>>>> before that you disable Java in your Web Browsers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In Safari - Disable Java
>>>>>> 1. Safari > Preferences, select Security
>>>>>> 2. DON'T have a tick in "Enable Java"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Disabling Java in Safari is highly recommended for safe computing.
>>>>>> You should enable it only when on a trusted site that requires it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In Firefox:
>>>>>> 1. Open Firefox and click the Firefox button -> Add-ons (Tools -> 
>>>>>> Add-ons in Linux, OS X and Windows XP).
>>>>>> 2. Choose the Plugins tab.
>>>>>> 3. Select the Java plugin(s) and click disable.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is urging computer users to 
>>>>>> disable or uninstall Java due to a serious flaw in Runtime Environment 
>>>>>> (JRE) 7.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The DHS' Computer Emergency Readiness Team warned Thursday evening that 
>>>>>> it was being exploited in the wild and could allow an attacker to 
>>>>>> execute arbitrary code on vulnerable systems.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> CERT recommended that Java be disabled in Web browsers. It pointed users 
>>>>>> to theSolution section of the US-CERT Alert and to the Oracle Technical 
>>>>>> Note Setting the Security Level of the Java Client for information on 
>>>>>> how to do that."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ronni
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 15/01/2013, at 4:55 PM, Merv Bond <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My wife has been sent the following together with several links to other
>>>>>>> pages. I didn't send the links in case they had the potential to do 
>>>>>>> harm.
>>>>>>> Can anyone make sense of this message?
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Merv
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Java exploit - serious consequences
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This has been the sequence of events when it has come to Java exploits
>>>>>>> but this latest one is different, very different. Someone, deep inside a
>>>>>>> bunker in China no doubt, has discovered that Java, at its core, is
>>>>>>> insecure and it cannot be simply patched. The whole thing has been
>>>>>>> compromised and needs to be rewritten. It would be like finding out that
>>>>>>> the body of your car is made of blasting caps and if you hit anything
>>>>>>> bigger than a moth it will explode.
>> 

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