Hi Ronni, yes it has, dare I say too, been a stuff up! :) Please finish your more urgent work before responding to my woes.
I am aware that I am creating a new iPhoto Library but I am doing this with cognisance that I am working in a completely separate place (with copies only) of the library files on my wifes MBP. The master library files still reside on her MBP and exactly as I left them in the User > Pictures folder. I took copies only of those two library files. What I have proved by making a new library is I can access the content. That was my number 1 concern. I understand the Hard Link information you've outlined. Answers to your questions here below. A). ON YOUR WIFE'S MBP IN HER USER HOME FOLDER > PICTURES - THERE ARE THESE TWO FILES "IPHOTO LIBRARY.MIGRATEDPHOTOLIBARY” and "PHOTOS LIBRARY.PHOTOSLIBRARY"… Is this correct? Yes, this is correct.B). And your wife's MBP only has ONE iPhoto Library on her system... is this correct? Yes, this is correct.C). And when you try to open PHOTOS on her MBP it doesn’t open... is this correct - or what happens? When I press Photos on the toolbar, the Photos application opens up at the new user screen indicating the 4 options. But no images appear when selected on the "Photos" tab. When "Albums" tab is selected, the Events folders from iPhoto are shown greyed out with no photographs within the folders. I did not select Use iCloud, I never do. Thanks Pete. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To:"WAMUG" Cc: Sent:Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:46:16 +0800 Subject:Re: iPhoto to Photos migration Oops I forgot to also mention -NOTE On first launch, PHOTOS asks if you’d like to use ICLOUD PHOTO LIBRARY. I would recommend you _DON’T USE ICLOUD PHOTO LIBRARY _at this time. On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:39 am, Ronni Brown wrote: Oh Peter, I said I would get back to you when possible, I wish you had waited. I am busy with Clients work and really don’t have time at present but reading your email I decided to reply to try to explain quickly how the process works. What you are now doing is Creating a NEW iPhoto Library (Duplicating all the Media Files in iPhoto Library package)! You are not understanding the iPhoto & Photos Directory structure... and how ‘Hard Links’ work so there is no duplication or extra space required on the system The Transition/Import from iPhoto to Photos has to be done on your wife’s MBP where the Library files are in the correct locations to link the two libraries using ‘Hard Links’. HARD FACTS ABOUT HARD LINKS On import, Photos makes a HARD LINK to all iPhoto media assets in its own library package, using the same directory structure as iPhoto (The libraries say they’re roughly the same size, but in fact, they’re sharing disk space via hard links). Think of hard links as a cousin of Finder aliases—rather than existing in one place with an alias in a different location, _FILES THAT ARE_ '_HARD LINKED' APPEAR TO LIVE IN TWO PLACES AT ONCE, BUT ONLY TAKE UP THE SPACE OF A SINGLE FILE._ __ Your old library won't be converted, just imported, so you can still open it in Aperture or iPhoto if you like (though once you import, if you do anything new with that library in Aperture, it won't carry over to the Photos version). So what happens if you_ edit one of those files_? Something clever: if I edit a file from a migrated iPhoto library in Photoshop, that version is altered—but the version in the Photos library is untouched. _Basically, the act of modifying a hard-linked file causes the link to break_. Now there are two different files, both taking up disk space, living independently. For Mac users accustomed to the a-file-is-a-file approach of the Finder, this one’s a bit of a head-scratcher, but it’s a smart move by Apple to allow us to MIGRATE TO PHOTOS WITHOUT DUPLICATING AN ENTIRE LIBRARY AND EATING ALL OF OUR FREE DISK SPACE—or worse, never bothering to upgrade to Photos because we don’t have the room. The new Photos library references the same master images as your old library, so you don't need the space to store images twice. It also makes for an incredibly efficient migration process. --- But because of your initial (dare I say - stuffup) this hasn’t happened. How to correct it?? I need more information - what is on your wife’s MBP. From what I can ascertain from your emails - A). On your wife's MBP in her User Home Folder > Pictures - there are these two files "IPHOTO LIBRARY.MIGRATEDPHOTOLIBARY” and "PHOTOS LIBRARY.PHOTOSLIBRARY"… Is this correct? B). And your wife's MBP only has ONE iPhoto Library on her system... is this correct? C). And when you try to open PHOTOS on her MBP it doesn’t open... is this correct - or what happens? One suggestion I will make: ON HER MBP - If she double-clicks on the "PHOTOS LIBRARY.PHOTOSLIBRARY" does it open in PHOTOS? If NOT _Hold down the Option key as you open the PHOTOS app in the Dock _to see the 'Choose Library dialog' window. Click '_OTHER LIBRARY_' Select the 'IPHOTO LIBRARY.MIGRATEDPHOTOLIBRARY' See if that completes the ‘preparing for import’ Cheers, Ronni On 27 Apr 2015, at 6:26 am, [email protected] [2] wrote: Thanks Ronni. I think I've cracked it. I opened iPhoto with Option held and selected "Create New". I set a new location for the new database library file. Once that was set up, I then selected Import and pointed to the "transitioning" iPhoto Library that I've been unable to open up in the conventional way. So last night it was able to commence the import of the photos and i can see the images on screen as it counts down. The transitioning Library was ~250GB and I had no choice but to let it proceed when it asked "confirm you have enough disc space" - I had ~750GB free on my 2TB drive which at the time seemed enough. Once it had started, it said "Importing 335,000 photos"!!! I don't recall there ever being that many, however, it was still Importing this morning with 225,000 to go but only 250GB space left. I think it will run out of space at that rate.Oh well, I am not so worried about that, at least I have now got a way to access them. I will get myself another 2TB drive and when I am home will start the process again. I am somewhat puzzled though that it is now apparently much larger than it was. Perhaps there is a compression that can be done or maybe this is all a consequence of the process of how I've got into this pickle. Maybe there is still another method to properly unpick the library without resorting to an Import process. I am keen to hear if you or anyone else has encountered this and methods for unpicking the mess I've got myself into. Regards Pete. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] [3] To:"[email protected] [4]" Cc: Sent:Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:53:44 +0800 Subject:Re: iPhoto to Photos migration Hi Peter, I haven't got time tonight, but I will get back to your problem when possible. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad4 On 26 Apr 2015, at 4:20 pm, [email protected] [6] wrote: Hi Ronni, yes I feel a real goose for the steps I took (in hindsight). As I work away (and am away from home for a further 2 odd weeks), I placed a copy of both (iPhoto and Photos) library files onto my 2TB external drive and using my Retina MBP to try and unpick this mess remotely from my Wifes MBP. A necessity as this happened the day prior to my departure. So i have the two files "iPhoto Library" and "Photos Library" both sitting within one folder on the external drive (each file is saying around 295GB from Get Info but not identical sizes). They are also still in place in the User>Photos folder on my Wife's MBP as I restored the iPhoto library from Trash using the "Put Back" command. When I attempt to open the iPhoto library (using the Option key method on my Retina), it reflects as IPHOTO LIBRARY.MIGRATEDPHOTOLIBRARY Which would suggest that the library underwent the start of its transformation in readiness to be 'hard linked' with the Photos library. But the transformation was never completed. I do not have a backup I can revert to at any stage prior to the update - coz I blew away the Sparesebundle! Pete. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] [7] To:"WAMUG" Cc: Sent:Sun, 26 Apr 2015 15:38:45 +0800 Subject:Re: iPhoto to Photos migration Hello Peter, Sounds like you have really messed up the transition/import of iPhoto Library to Photos... and then did a Time Machine backup BEFORE testing everything was working correctly.... The first time you launch Photos, it searches your system for iPhoto and Aperture libraries. If only one library fits the bill, it imports that library. Otherwise, it opens the Choose Library dialog window - Choose a library from the list, and Photos prepares the library for import. Photos needs to prepare your iPhoto Library before it imports into a new Photos library. When you import an iPhoto library into Photos, your existing library remains intact. The net result of the import is that you’ll have two separate libraries on your Mac’s drive: your old_ iPhoto library_ and a new _Photos library_ The Import does NOT duplicate iPhoto Library but uses “Hard Links". Your iPhoto Library remains intact, BUT a new Photos Library comes into being. The Libraries say they’re roughly the same size, but in fact, they’re 'sharing disk space' via ‘hard links’. After the successful transition ‘Migration' from iPhoto to Photos you will have in your User > Pictures folder - 2 separate Libraries: "IPHOTO LIBRARY.MIGRATEDPHOTOLIBRARY” AND “PHOTOS LIBRARY.PHOTOSLIBRARY" On 25 Apr 2015, at 9:30 am, [email protected] [9] wrote: Last week I updated my wife's 2012 MBP to latest OSX which brought the new Photos application. I had done my own 2014 Retina MBP previously without issue and have all my images carried over into Photos without a hitch The issue with my Wife's machine is I did the update and am unable to see the images in Photos. I just get the intro screen with the 4 options for a new user. I've done the "Option" whilst starting it up and directed it to the new Photo Library file and still nothing. The Photo Library file shows in Get Info of 295GB so it would appear to be a file containing the picture and video files but how do I access it? An issue potentially caused by me was that after the update, I ran a cleaner (Cleanmymac) and it did some cleaning. I did in my travels after the cleaning notice in the Trash can was the old iPhoto Library!!! I assume this was an action of cleanmymac. So I selected "Put Back" and it in turn is now placed alongside the Photos Library in the default Apple folder location. It was only after this that I opened Photos for the first time and I suspect that upon first opening, it runs a script which does the migration (but not duplication) of image files. Oh goodness... Yes, that is correct. The first time Photos is opened (as I’ve mentioned above) the transition (Import from iPhoto) is run. But you are saying your wife’s iPhoto Library was not in the correct location in Pictures... but was sitting in the Trash! It gets worse - much worse I am afraid. I don’t want to read anymore :( During the update I turned Time Machine off to prevent unwanted backups during the process of updating. I think this is a recommended practice anyway. Well, after the dust settled (but before running Photos) I turned TM back on and it goes through the Preparing Backup routine for a looong while and then says Backing Up 325GB!!! I pressed the cross to stop that and thought about it a bit. Running low on TM disc space and having done this previously (and never once having had to call upon the TM backup to retrieve anything in the 6 years of Mac ownership) decided I would delete the Sparesebundle file and do a new Backup from scratch . I suspect that the Preparing Backup routine spotted the iPhoto Library in the Trash and the Photos library in its normal home and detected there are two libraries to back up hence the order of magnitude of the backup. Anyway, now that I am over this, I still have the problem where neither iPhoto nor Photos will open showing my wifes previous images. When I launch iPhoto - I get a message "Aperture needs updating" so when I try that, it says the version of Aperture required is not available in the Australian Apple Store - so no good there When I launch Photos - I get the first time user screen. If I select Albums, I see the greyed image of the previous Events folders as Albums and the names of Albums are accurate per the previous iPhotos Events folder, but upon opening, nothing is visible. Still no images. Whilst in hindsight some of my actions have been not very good, I still don't understand why I can get at my images/videos? Whilst in hindsight now ‘some’ but almost all your actions have not been good from what I can ascertain from your email :( Anyone have any ideas how to get out of this pickle? Let us now exactly what Library files you have in User > Pictures please - and also if you have a backup of your wife’s iPhoto Library BEFORE you did the Update to OS X 10.10.3? Cheers, Ronni 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Intel Quad-Core i7 2.3GHz / 16GB / 1TB 840 EVO SSD OS X Yosemite 10.10.3 Pete :( Links: ------ [1] mailto:[email protected] [2] mailto:[email protected] [3] mailto:[email protected] [4] mailto:[email protected] [5] mailto:[email protected] [6] mailto:[email protected] [7] mailto:[email protected] [8] mailto:[email protected] [9] mailto:[email protected]
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