Ok, noted thanks Ronni. The OS X is on the MBP drive on board, not on the external. Yes, good idea your test below, I might try the test first on a new drive to prove the test. Then reformat the drive again and do a CCC of the whole (MBP+External drive), then I have my additional backup already sorted on top of my TM backup.
Regards Pete. > On 4 Jun 2015, at 5:01 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > Re: So I hope I have cleared up the understanding of my question from the > original post. If I were to loose the external drive, then if I bought a new > drive, plugged it in and the did a Restore from the TM back up of the ENTIRE > external drive onto the NEW drive, will that restore the contents in exactly > the same folder structure that it was? > Would subsequent backups duplicate the now new external drive contents and > bloat the Sparesebundle into an enormous thing? > > First - Take Note: Don't try to Restore the backup of your OS X System to a > External Drive... You can't do that!!! > > To Restore from the Time Machine Backup of the External Drive that holds just > Media/Data (iPhoto Library & iTunes Library) > First you need to be able to SEE the backups of a volume that's no longer > connected. > > To see the backups of a volume that’s no longer connected: > > As this is a Data-Only Drive (with iTunes & Photos Libraries) but not OS X > For these instructions I’ll call the backup disc MyMedia (don't change the > name of whatever you had) > > 1. Open a Finder window and select your computer name in the Finder Sidebar > (or press Shift+Cmd+C). > > 2. Then Enter Time Machine (Star Wars interface from the Time Machine icon) > On the first Finder window in the "cascade," labelled Today (Now), you'll see > all the volumes currently connected to your Mac. > > Disk MyMedia, which was backed-up previously, but has failed /stolen / or > disconnected, does not appear. > Do not select anything in the Today (Now) Finder window > > Instead, select the TimeLine entry or Finder window for a previous backup, > and you'll see a folder for each volume that was backed-up then or > previously, including any that are not currently available. > > The folder for MyMedia does appear in the center only, but not in the sidebar. > > Double-click the folder for MyMedia; then you can navigate to whatever you're > looking for. > Once you find the backup you want, select all the top-level folders (not the > one representing the disk itself). > Control-Click, choose the Restore <items> to... option, then the New > External Drive. > > Note: that other things in the Finder sidebar that are now connected, but > were not included in the backup being displayed are shown in gray, not black, > and of course you can’t select them. > > Hopefully that would work... > Might be worth getting a New External Drive - format it correctly GUID > Partition map scheme & Mac OS Extended (Journaled) as you have the current > external drive formatted and do a TEST > > Cheers, > Ronni > > 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014) > 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz > 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM > 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage > > OS X Yosemite 10.10.2 > >> On 3 Jun 2015, at 7:46 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Comments inserted. >> >> >>> On 2 Jun 2015, at 1:43 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> Comments in Situ >>> >>>> On 1 Jun 2015, at 7:17 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok, my apologies for not making it clear then. A pity we can’t use >>>> diagrams on this forum. I use a Time Capsule for wireless backup for all 5 >>>> MBP’s in my house. >>>> >>>> For my MBP 13” retina, I use a portable external drive (attached to the >>>> MBP) to hold the iTunes and Photos libraries as the 250GB on board MBP >>>> hard drive is too small. When I set up Time Machine to do my backups of >>>> the MBP hard drive (inc attached portable external drive), >>> >>>> I selected ‘Options’ and then added the external drive (the one attached >>>> to my MBP) to be included in the backup to the Time Capsule. >>> Huh? When you select ‘Options’ in System Preferences > Time Machine - Data >>> (Peter’s Time Capsule?) the Options window would show the attached >>> external drive under “Exclude these items from backups”. Yes, you’re right, >>> my mistake - I didn’t exclude, by default the externally attached drive is >>> included. So the External drive is included within the full back up - >>> evidenced by the fact that my MBP has 70GB in use (180GB Free of 250GB) and >>> my 2TB external drive makes up the balance of the 650GB backup >>> Sparesebundle. >>> >>>> So the Sparesebundle backup file on the Time Capsule therefore holds a >>>> copy of the data on the external drive attached to the MBP. >>> >>> Are you sure? Have you checked by going to the Time Machine icon > ‘Enter >>> Time Machine’? >>> Are you sure this external drive which holds your iTunes Library & Photos >>> Library has been backed up to your Time Capsule? Yes, the backup file is >>> ~650GB which is the sum of what is on the MBP + what is on the external >>> drive. >>> >>> Either I’m overworked and not thinking straight, but I’m certainly not on >>> the same page as you :( >>> With Time Machine, you can go "back in time" to Restore files, versions of >>> files, or your entire system. >>> To open a Photo Library that has been backed up with Time Machine the >>> Library must be first Restored from the TM Hard Drive to your Boot Drive. I >>> will do a trial by trying a Restore on one of the simple files say a PDF >>> which I have on the external drive to test the process. >>>> >>>> So notwithstanding a triplicate backup strategy being the right thing to >>>> do to provide robust data security, ideally I use the Time Machine backup >>>> as the first port of call in the event of needing to recover a specific >>>> file (or the entire portable external drive content if it were to fail or >>>> get stolen). >>>> >>>> I hope that makes my configuration clear and therefore the original >>>> question now understandable. >>> >>> Sorry, probably me, but I’m still confused. >> >> So I hope I have cleared up the understanding of my question from the >> original post. If I were to loose the external drive, then if I bought a new >> drive, plugged it in and the did a Restore from the TM back up of the ENTIRE >> external drive onto the NEW drive, will that restore the contents in exactly >> the same folder structure that it was? Would subsequent backups duplicate >> the now new external drive contents and bloat the Sparesebundle into an >> enormous thing? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ronni >>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Pete. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 1 Jun 2015, at 4:52 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>> >>>>>>> I dont actually have a problem currently but if my external drive were >>>>>>> to fail or get lost or stolen, how would I reinstate the contents >>>>>>> within the backup file of the external drive to a NEW external drive >>>>>>> and restore the status quo? >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if I'm understanding you exactly. >>>>> If any of the above issues happen - The 'External Drive fails, or gets >>>>> lost, or stolen'... You would not be able to Restore anything from the >>>>> Time Machine backup as there is no Time Machine Backup - The External >>>>> Drive is no longer accessible! >>>>> >>>>> This is why we must have a good three parts backup strategy (similar to >>>>> my backup strategy I've posted numerous times on WAMUG) to help cover >>>>> drive failures, stolen, or lost computers or backup drives. >>>>> >>>>> Also it's best to have iTunes & Photos quit when Time Machine is backing >>>>> up. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ronni >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 May 2015, at 6:48 am, [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Good morning, I use an external drive to hold my iTunes and Photos >>>>>> library. I have explicitly selected in 'Options' to include the external >>>>>> drive in the hourly backup process with Time Machine so the backup file >>>>>> first time around was quite large (~650GB) and took a long while. >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont actually have a problem currently but if my external drive were >>>>>> to fail or get lost or stolen, how would I reinstate the contents within >>>>>> the backup file of the external drive to a NEW external drive and >>>>>> restore the status quo? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've never once restored a file from TM (though I am well practiced at >>>>>> deleting the Sparsebundle backup file!!) so not familiar with the >>>>>> process anyway but I am keen to understand how I would restore the >>>>>> external drive associated files (either singly (say my Photos library >>>>>> file) or the drive in total). >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Pete. > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> Pete
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