Many thanks for all those valuable comments.  It looks as if it has to be 
1Password
Severin Crisp

> On 4 Jan 2017, at 9:51 am, Peter Hinchliffe <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 4 Jan 2017, at 9:13 am, Severin Crisp <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> Currently my passwords are a mess and rely on an often altered piece of 
>> paper for when mnemonics or memory fail.   I have looked at 1Password which 
>> is full featured and certainly would do all that I need but I also realise 
>> that Safari will provide randomly generated strings and often asks if I want 
>> to use them.  
>> All I want is to provide safe, gobbledygook passwords that will synch 
>> between two Macs and two iOS devices.  Will Safari not do this for me?   
>> What is the security level compared with 1Password?  
>> I am sure many members will have thoughts on this!  
>> Severin Crisp
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>> 
> 
> I use both without any problems. I use 1Password mainly because of its many 
> other features such as Software Registration keys, Credit Card management, 
> Personal Details, and myriad others. Safari uses Keychain by default, but is 
> quite happy to both keychain and 1Password both at the same time. If you have 
> iCloud set appropriately, both Keychain and 1Password will synchronse across 
> all your devices. Of course, 1Password is a commercial product so (a) it 
> costs money to use, and (b) you need a copy on each device you use. Keychain, 
> on the other hand, comes as part of Mac OS, so all you need for full sync is 
> to turn on iCloud for each candidate device. 
> 
> If you don’t want or need synchronisation, then both systems are completely 
> secure, as much as your computer is secure. When you use synchronisation, 
> security is as strong as the service you are using, and I think iCloud has 
> pretty good credentials in this regard as long as you are sensible about 
> things. 1Password will also synchronise through Dropbox, which is also highly 
> regarded. 
> 
> Peter Hinchliffe        Apwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
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