In simple language…. The "other volumes" are preboot, recovery, and vm (virtual memory). They are part of a standard APFS boot volume.
The vm volume will take up most of the space as it supplements your Ram to store things too big for Ram. A "container" in APFS is much like a partition in other file systems/partition schemes. A container will contain a number of virtual "volumes." they are "virtual" in that the volumes of a container all share the storage space of the container. Regards, Ronni > On 22 Apr 2018, at 8:26 am, Ronni Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > What you are seeing in Keychain Access below is all rather normal. > > Re: Disk Utility - High Sierra > A standard macOS startup APFS container does contain additional volumes to > the volume with macOS installed on it. > You can list these with diskutil apfs list. The standard configuration of > such a container is as follows: > > disk1s1, the volume you boot from, mounted at /, shown in Disk Utility as > Macintosh HD > disk1s2, ‘Preboot’, not mounted, hidden > disk1s3, ‘Recovery’, not mounted, hidden > disk1s4, ‘VM’, mounted at /private/var/vm, hidden > > The last 3 are grouped as Other Volumes in Disk Utility. > They're required by macOS and shouldn't be removed. > > Cheers, > Ronni > > 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014) > 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz > 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM > 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage > > macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 > >> On 21 Apr 2018, at 2:18 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi Ronni, firstly, yes I hope the WCE can do the proper business. We shall >> see. >> >> I had a browse around Keychain Access the other day but was to wary to edit >> anything so I didn’t. But I had a look again now and there is no Keychain >> First Aid routine in the latest OSX High Sierra. Some web browsing confirm >> Apple quietly removed it due to some potential vulnerabilities. In the >> Keychain Access window there are numerous rows of information representing >> “Name_Time Capsule” some with Kind is network password and others Airport >> Disk password. Attributes on thee network password kind say Account: No User >> account (dated 2017) and the Airport Disk password kind say Account: Peter >> Crisp - but these are dated 2014. >> >> So I ran the Boot volume First AId and it completed successfully. In >> running that I noted that in the storage representation bar for the Mac HD >> has a “Used” section to the bar (101GB) and “Other Volumes” (2.82GB) and the >> rest Free 146GB. I don’t know what “Other Volumes” is. Is that normal? >> >> Regards >> >> >> Pete >> >> On 21 Apr 2018, at 12:55 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> I just caught up with this thread... sorry for late reply. >>> But have you tried ‘Keychain First Aid’? >>> Since problems with passwords are likely due to the keychain, open the >>> "Keychain Access" utility and run the "Keychain First Aid" routine >>> (available in the "Keychain Access" menu) on all keychains. >>> >>> After this, if the problem still persists, try running a permissions fix on >>> the boot drive using "Disk Utility", which should ensure all files on the >>> boot drive are properly accessible. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ronni >>> PS. Best of luck with your Eagles today... smash Carlton ;-) >>> >>> Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB >>> >>> >>> On 19 Apr 2018, at 7:18 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> Further to this, I might add that I am on High Sierra 10.13.4 (MBP Retina >>>> 2013) and those that have experienced it previously indicated it was with >>>> the recent update/s and for those people it was not an issue previous to >>>> recent updates. >>>> >>>> Perhaps the sequence of updates for me along with other extraneous things >>>> has lead to this and being limited to those others duplicating that >>>> scenario. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> Pete >>>> >>>> On 19 Apr 2018, at 7:14 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ronni, yes you’re right. I have been doing this every time opening the >>>>> Finder, Press “Connect as” and then enter password. Every time I do this, >>>>> I select the “keep my password in my Keychain”. Every time I do it again, >>>>> it asks for me to enter password again. So I do, and also select the >>>>> “keep my password in my Keychain”. Each time entering the password, I am >>>>> successful as being connected as “Peter C...” and not Guest so it is ok >>>>> in that respect. But the fact that the keeping of password is not being >>>>> kept is forcing me to enter it each time. >>>>> >>>>> I did some Apple Support reading and other’s have experienced the same >>>>> failure to have the keychain remember the entered password, means each >>>>> time it needs re-entering. Is there a way to remove the password from the >>>>> keychain and start the process over again and perhaps trigger the >>>>> remembering process for the OS? >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pete >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Apr 2018, at 9:24 am, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi again Peter, >>>>>> >>>>>> I probably should explain more re my last reply. >>>>>> In the Finder sidebar under shared is your ‘Pete’s Time Capsule’ >>>>>> (whatever you named it). >>>>>> When you click it, then click ‘Connect As’ you are attempting to connect >>>>>> to the server ‘Pete’s Time Capsule’ click connect put the password for >>>>>> the Time Capsule and then you see the ‘Data’ folder and on the far right >>>>>> side of screen under ‘Kind’ is ‘Sharepoint’ >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ronni >>>>>> >>>>>> Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19 Apr 2018, at 6:51 am, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have File Sharing setup on your Time Capsule Network. >>>>>>> Look in the Finder Sidebar under Shared. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18 Apr 2018, at 8:20 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Neil, I’ve checked and there is just the one network which I have >>>>>>>> in place. It is the same network as all devices/MBP’s in the house >>>>>>>> connect to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just a note, on some occasions I see that the connection is a >>>>>>>> “Sharepoint”. No idea what this means but maybe helps in the solution >>>>>>>> process. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pete. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 18 Apr 2018, at 6:01 am, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Neil, thanks for that suggestion, I'll have a look at that one >>>>>>>>>> tonight when I get home. Pretty sure I only have the one Wi-Fi >>>>>>>>>> network and 5ghz only at that. Is it possible for a guest to connect >>>>>>>>>> to one network (the same as one used by registered users) but be >>>>>>>>>> connected as a Guest? That's how it seems to me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 9:43 pm, Neil Houghton <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Going from memory (some time & several OSes earlier) I set-up a >>>>>>>>>>> time capsule at a rellie’s house with a main network and a guest >>>>>>>>>>> network that visiting grandkids could use – they appeared as >>>>>>>>>>> separate networks (rather than logging-in to the same network as >>>>>>>>>>> user or guest) – I gave mine quite separate names to distinguish >>>>>>>>>>> which was which. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you have both networks set-up you should see them in your >>>>>>>>>>> network preferences when you go to advanced, under the wi-fi tab, >>>>>>>>>>> eg I can see my main wi-fi and my iphone hotspot – even though the >>>>>>>>>>> hotspot is not currently on, it is remembered. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you CAN see two networks here, you can re-order them to set your >>>>>>>>>>> preference (as it says – drag networks into the order you prefer) – >>>>>>>>>>> maybe the guest network is currently “preferred”. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, your problem/issue may be something else entirely – but >>>>>>>>>>> it should be an easy check. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> HTH >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Neil >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Neil R. Houghton >>>>>>>>>>> Albany, Western Australia >>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 >>>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf >>>>>>>>>>> of Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: WAMUG <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, 17 April 2018 at 21:18 >>>>>>>>>>> To: WAMUG <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Connection to Time Capsule >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ronni yes I only have the 5GHz network connection. TM backups >>>>>>>>>>> are working correctly too with the reliable hourly backups >>>>>>>>>>> concluding with correct recording of them. I’ll keep the Guest >>>>>>>>>>> account in place as for the moment this is not a major issue for >>>>>>>>>>> me. Not urgent thanks Ronni once again for your input on this one. >>>>>>>>>>> <> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 8:55 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No I wouldn’t delete anything until we can work out how you are now >>>>>>>>>>> connected to your Wi-Fi Network as ‘Guest’ instead of your >>>>>>>>>>> administrator name you have always connected with. >>>>>>>>>>> Are you connected to the 5GHz on your dual-band Network, not the >>>>>>>>>>> 2.5GHz? >>>>>>>>>>> Have you made any changes to your 5GHz or 2.5GHz Network. >>>>>>>>>>> Are your Time Machine backups working correctly? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have never heard of this happening before. I’ll give it more >>>>>>>>>>> thought overnight and tomorrow as I have another job to finish >>>>>>>>>>> tonight. >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll get back to you if & when I can think clearly about this issue. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 8:28 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ronni, thanks for your response. I really don’t recall setting >>>>>>>>>>> up a Guest network - having had it for ~8 years I can’t recall. In >>>>>>>>>>> all that time I have never used a Guest network nor seen the need >>>>>>>>>>> to so I am happy to delete it - but don’t know how to. If I did >>>>>>>>>>> delete the Guest network, would that prevent me auto connecting and >>>>>>>>>>> hence interrupt the TC backups going on? I’d prefer to delete the >>>>>>>>>>> Guest network after I’ve resolved the auto connect as Admin. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pete. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 8:17 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>>>>>>> Did you setup a Guest Network at some stage? Using a guest network >>>>>>>>>>> allows you to share you connection with guests to your house >>>>>>>>>>> without endangering your main network with all of your devices. >>>>>>>>>>> It appears as it you have two separate wi-fi base stations instead >>>>>>>>>>> of one. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPhone 7 Plus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 7:57 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have just last night realised that my connection to my Time >>>>>>>>>>> Capsule in my house has me connected as “Guest”. I think this is >>>>>>>>>>> just a recent thing as I would have recognised before now over the >>>>>>>>>>> 8 years odd I’ve had it. I can’t think what may have changed this >>>>>>>>>>> but wonder how I can actually alter this so my connection is in my >>>>>>>>>>> own name - as I am known to the network as? I had a bit of a Google >>>>>>>>>>> around but didn’t see anything specific to interrogate this one. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are 5 of us in the house - all with a Macbook and even my >>>>>>>>>>> kids Macbooks default connection either has their name or >>>>>>>>>>> Administrator. Whilst this isn’t a security concern to me with them >>>>>>>>>>> so much but I am puzzled why the network “sees” me as a Guest in my >>>>>>>>>>> own home - so far as the TC connection goes! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am able to do all other admin functions on the network so my >>>>>>>>>>> apparent admin status seems in order. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any tips from anyone? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pete >>> > > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
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