While we are on names, how about SpectiR? :) If no one else wants it,
I'll take it.

Chandu

On Apr 7, 3:38 pm, Jarmo Pertman <[email protected]> wrote:
> I understand what you're getting at.
>
> Of course i don't want to be impolite nor rude. I'm wondering, what
> does Jari himself think about this topic? Is he planning
> to release it as a gem at all? If he does and wants to do it with the
> same name, then i've given it some thought and have an idea what to
> rename my gem, but
> i still have some organizational questions. How can i rename my gem on
> rubygems? Is it even possible? Or should i just 'yank' all the
> versions of my gem? Does it free
> up the name again? And i will just have to release my gem again, but
> with new name? What guarantees that Jari can use this name at all in
> the future? Will he push some dummy gem as a placeholder for that?
>
> So, as you can see, i have a lot of questions, lol.
>
> Cheers,
> Jarmo
>
> On Apr 7, 6:44 pm, Ethan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I don't think anybody wants to force (or can force) you to use a different
> > name, but it is being pointed out that there exists a piece of work which is
> > already using that name (even if slightly different case). I don't think
> > anybody is implying that you intentionally took an already-in-use name, but
> > the basic fact is that it is in use. Using that name may create confusion
> > amongst people talking about either piece of work, and may conflict if the
> > same name is used in various contexts, including a gem name. It seems to me
> > the polite thing would be to choose a different name and cede the name to
> > the existing, older piece of work. Asking that the existing watirspec change
> > its name in the future to avoid conflict with yours does not seem
> > reasonable. But, ultimately it is your own decision to make I think.
>
> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:23, Jarmo Pertman <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Actually i didn't know about WatirCraft either. I know that i have
> > > heard about it, but i thought that it is doing something else... It is
> > > indeed somehow similar to my gem and i have also (maybe) a plan to add
> > > Cucumber support... i mean, there's not much to add as a support
> > > except just an additional dependency and require statement :P Anyway,
> > > ideas seem to be somehow similar indeed.
>
> > > But about the name. Since i didn't know anything (i swear!) about the
> > > existence of WatirSpec name and didn't find anything on rubygems.org,
> > > then that's why i decided to pick a name called WatiRspec (notice that
> > > there's also difference in case). Since i didn't steal the name or
> > > didn't do anything else bad intentionally, then i feel that it would
> > > not be fair against me if you or someone else would force me to change
> > > the name because of these reasons. I'm not sure that name conflict can
> > > happen on rubygems... So, if Jari or someone else decides to release a
> > > gem with already existing name, then i guess that they should be the
> > > ones to change their gem's name. I don't see any other solutions here
> > > at the moment unfortunately.
>
> > > No hard feelings, i hope.
>
> > > Best regards,
> > > Jarmo
>
> > > On Apr 6, 9:47 pm, Charley Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > A simple gem might make sense or you can help work on the existing gems,
> > > I
> > > > haven't really thought about it too much but the WatirCraft gem does
> > > > simplify things and add cucumber support. My thought in best to avoid, 
> > > > is
> > > > that watirspec isn't currently gemified, but easily could be. So while
> > > > there's not a name clash right now, the possibility exists that there 
> > > > may
> > > be
> > > > in the future. It makes sense to make Jari's current work into a gem.
> > > > Thoughts?
>
> > > > -c
>
> > > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Jarmo Pertman <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Well, as i understood, then Taza just offers extra functionality and
> > > > > in deep within Watir and RSpec is used for it. But as i already
> > > > > mentioned, then WatiRspec is not doing much extra except combining
> > > > > both of these tools. And this is enough for my work.
>
> > > > > What did you mean about this "probably best to avoid that name for
> > > > > now" exactly?
>
> > > > > Jarmo
>
> > > > > On Apr 6, 3:23 am, Charley Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > Hey Jarmo,
>
> > > > > >     No worries. Watirspec isn't a gem yet, but may be at some point,
> > > > > > probably best to avoid that name for now. Taza's more complex to 
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > degree, but the basics are fairly simple. Interested to hear more
> > > about
> > > > > your
> > > > > > point of view and how you see it, or anyone else for that matter. 
> > > > > > Let
> > > me
> > > > > > know. :)
>
> > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > Charley Baker
> > > > > > Lead Developer, Watir,http://watir.com
> > > > > > QA Architect, Gap Inc Direct
>
> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Jarmo Pertman <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi.
>
> > > > > > > You are correct, i didn't know anything about these projects. But
> > > as
> > > > > > > far as i looked on Taza's documentation right now, then i can say
> > > that
> > > > > > > it is a completely different library. It might have a similar idea
> > > at
> > > > > > > some degree, but Taza seems to be just a lot more complex with all
> > > > > > > those extra features, which are not needed for me. I don't plan to
> > > > > > > make WatiRspec like that. WatiRspec's main idea is that it takes
> > > RSpec
> > > > > > > and Watir and just makes it easier to use both of these tools
> > > together
> > > > > > > by providing some helper methods and that's mainly it.
>
> > > > > > > I haven't been very original in thinking of names, thus i named it
> > > > > > > like Watir + RSpec = WatiRspec
>
> > > > > > > Sorry, if i caused any troubles with that.
>
> > > > > > > Jarmo
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 3, 10:27 pm, Charley Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > How is this different from Taza?
> > > > >http://github.com/charley/tazawhichdoes
> > > > > > > > exactly the same sort of thing. watirspec is the name of Jari's
> > > rspec
> > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > > > for celerity and watir, so despite the fact that it's not a gem
> > > yet,
> > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > cede that name to him. Let me know if I'm offbase, maybe you
> > > didn't
> > > > > know
> > > > > > > > about these projects. :) I'd be happy to have you involved in
> > > Taza.
>
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
>
> > > > > > > > Charley Baker
> > > > > > > > Lead Developer, Watir,http://watir.com
> > > > > > > > QA Architect, Gap Inc Direct
>
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Jarmo <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello.
>
> > > > > > > > > I just wanted to let you know that I've released my first gem
> > > > > called
> > > > > > > > > WatiRspec. It does combine Watir and RSpec for you so you 
> > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > testing easily and write less code. I created it because i
> > > noticed
> > > > > > > > > that i'm reinventing these things all the time if new
> > > > > client/project
> > > > > > > > > is started. Now it's much easier. Just enter few commands and
> > > i'm
> > > > > > > > > ready to start. I'm going to use it in my everyday work. It is
> > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > to be part of my diploma thesis also.
>
> > > > > > > > > It is very fresh library, so it's possible that something
> > > doesn't
> > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > as it should - although i have written tests for my code :)
>
> > > > > > > > > What do you think? Do you see any shortages? Might it be 
> > > > > > > > > useful
> > > for
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > all?
>
> > > > > > > > > You can read more about it athttp://github.com/jarmo/WatiRspec
>
> > > > > > > > > You can read about some of the principles (haven't had the 
> > > > > > > > > time
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > update it yet with newest ideas) from my blog too:
> > > > > > > > >http://www.itreallymatters.net
>
> > > > > > > > > Jarmo Pertman
>
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