On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Alfredo Abambres <alfredoabamb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Upayavira, once again thanks for the reply and patience. > > In other words, in this particular case, votes from non-PMC are just a > special form of "power" feedback and nothing more. PMC can ignore them if > they like - of course, with all the consequences that position could > generate on the community, but that's another story :-)
Right. Actually the PMC has "binding" votes, others don't have. Healthy communities usually even listen to non-committers. Usually everybody is invited to vote. Not only committers or PMC - simply everybody who has looked into the release. Here is more on voting: http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html Please note, several PMCs are using it a bit differently and made adaptions. The Wave PMC is free to discuss variations too. The IPMC will tell if its too much adaption :-) > 1) > Send new "members" (like me) read the manuals by for example including on > the first message a link to the help/support page where the decision > process is explained > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html (for future reference of > those following this conversation) Sounds good, esp. for podlings this could be a real enhancement if we generally would provide some kind of voting template including these links. > 2) > Clearly identify what we are asking for and from whom. "Should we release > this new version" (feedback) is completely different from "Vote for > releasing this new version" (an actual decision/vote). Usually votes have [VOTE] prefix in the subject line, and feedback threads should have the [DISCUSS] prefix. [DISCUSS] Release Wave 0.4 RC2? Like that. This prefix is often used to reach consens in a discussion before the actual vote happens. "Standard discussions" of course don't need that. > I hope these questions, replies/answers, doubts and suggestions helped us > improve the process. Definitely! At least i think this are very valuable questions. Cheers Christian > > </END MESSING WITH THE RELEASE THREAD> > > Back to the release "voting" process... go for it Ali and Apache Wave team. > > Alfredo > > > http://alfredo.abambres.com > > *"Moving, always moving, and living inside movement". Rainer Maria Rilke* > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013, at 08:34 PM, Alfredo Abambres wrote: >> > Upayavira: Thanks for your explanation. >> > >> > A doubt: if everybody else voted "-1" and you got three "+1" from PMC, >> > the >> > release would be approved? >> >> I would expect the -1 votes to be properly evaluated. If they are valid, >> I would expect those on the PMC to change their votes to -1 until they >> are resolved. >> >> But note, at this point, we're 90% concerned with legal matters, and 10% >> concerned with technical ones. So a technical concern might not be >> sufficient reason to hold back a release in this case, while that might >> be more reasonable in subsequent releases. >> >> Upayavira >> -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de
