Re: Wave and Incubation

[Bruce Hellstrom]

The problem is technology keeps marching on while the wave project has 
remained mostly stagnant.  I wanted to setup an internal wave server at 
our company and try to get it adopted as the company standard for our 
communications.  I hate trying to manage email threads that get so long 
and disjointed.  Wave was such a good solution.  I wanted to wait until 
the db storage of waves support was put in, which is there now I believe.

However, the company has started using Slack and I have to say it's hard 
to argue against that with a beta of Wave in it's current state.  Slack 
has a lot of the features I was looking for in wave as well as clients 
that work on almost all mobile devices now.  The downside is, the data 
storage resides with Slack and not on our own internal company servers, 
but that doesn't seem to be an issue.

I think Wave is still an awesome product that was ahead of it's time, 
but now it would just take too much effort to bring it up-to-date.  It 
needs to support all the latest incarnations of the browsers, which is a 
moving target now that almost all are on fast release cycles.  It needs 
full mobile support apps.  I just don't think there's enough people who 
have enough time to devote to all that needs to be done.

On 03/15/2015 03:23 AM, Francesco Rossi wrote:
Guys,
I'm a newbie too and we are thinking of building an entire app over wave.
It sounds really bat that the community is willing to give up.


On 3/15/2015 3:14 AM, ujadatron wrote:
It sounds bad.

I'm a "few days newbee" in this mailing list. (I'm looking for a 
flexible open source collaboration framework).
Do you suggest any of them? (if the Wave will retire)

thanks in advance
adatron

2015.03.14. 22:28 keltezéssel, James Keener írta:
I was going to write almost exactly the same email and decided not to.
I found wave and wanted to use it, but it's dependence on the GWT and
how intertwined the Client and Server were made it very difficult 
for me
to understand and I moved to share.js because I could more easily
comprehend it's inner workings and could build my client around it.

Ideally two projects and a documented protocol would have been best.
Much
like how email severs and clients can be developed separately, and
standards like pop3 and imap used to talk between them.
This would have been ideal I feel.  I've seen multiple people on this
mailing list asking how to integrate with the server and there is never
a good response.

Jim

On 03/14/2015 05:18 PM, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
I'll just sadly from my little lurker corner repeat what I have 
been saying
for 3 years or so now;
I wanted to work on a client, despite trying, I lacked the ability to
understand the server side code.

There was never a clear separation of client and sever that I feel 
would
have allowed less skilled coders like me to contribute. I was 
frustrated
when I saw GWT/ GUI issues on the web client being posted at times to
fix...and I could have helped with that. But I couldn't, because the
bureaucracy of having the sever and client tied together made (for me)
trivial things rather hard.
My half-developed phone client remained dead since Googles time as 
well
because I couldn't figure out how to interface with the changes 
made to how
you should talk to the sever. I had at one point 3 people helping 
me on
that project, and with a client/sever protocol we could have all
contributed.
Ideally two projects and a documented protocol would have been 
best. Much
like how email severs and clients can be developed separately, and
standards like pop3 and imap used to talk between them.

I fully acknowledge much of this is my own lack of skills, and with
everyone unpaid volunteers I cant expect anything.
But this is my hypothesis as to why Wave development wasn't as 
active as it
could have been.

-Thomas Wrobel
arwave.org





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On 14 March 2015 at 21:52, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:

Wave has been incubating for some years now, and, unfortunately, 
has not
shown a level of growth that, in my opinion, would suggest that it is
likely to reach graduation from the Incubator.

Unfortunately, I think it is time we accept that Wave is unlikely to
reach graduation, and should retire.

To explain what this means - as I understand it, the ASF repo 
would be
marked read-only, and after a period of time, the lists disabled.

The code would, however, remain open-source, and any person, or 
group of
people would be free to fork the code and continue with it elsewhere,
e.g. Github/Sourceforge/etc.

In the end, this is a decision of the Incubator PMC, however I’d 
like to
see whether anyone here has any thoughts to add before I put this 
to the
wider Incubator community.

Upayavira

P.S. This came up on the incubator-general list as a part of a
discussion on the Wave report