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To Send your message to the WBMUTBB Digest address it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from the Digest, scroll to the bottom of this issue wbmutbb-digest Tuesday, February 20 2001 Volume 03 : Number 056 Topics in this issue: Re: wbmutbb-digest V3 #54 exiting a car on the show The Wandering Minstrel Sage Wisdom Pick-ups and Splashes from Floor and Pool Vo. 3 #55 Technical Gaffs O Brother and Thelma Lou Sports in Mayberry Re: production snafus hawthorn prices He's a Prince Ernest T. Production Boo-Boos Re: Production Bloopers Controversy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:27:38 -0600 From: "Rick Willis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: wbmutbb-digest V3 #54 >heard the term 'fifedom' used in context to a self-serving, slightly >bungled police action. Is this term derived from our good ole Barn or >was the character's name chose as a play on this term? Anyone out >there know? Great to see you posting again, Oh Groovy One! Sounds to me like you have a play on words going on there. I haven't seen the movie Hannibal yet and can't say for sure. But I know that a "fiefdom" was the old feudal estate run by a lord in the middle ages. Sometimes there was corruption, as in the Sheriff of Nottingham in the old Robin Hood tales. Now, I'm pretty sure that this word is pronounced *FEEF-dom*, so it could be that if you heard "fifedom" there was a play on words that did indeed allude to our favorite deputy. That's my theory, and I'm stickin' to it. - --Rick "you're not talkin' to a jerk, ya know" Willis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:52:13 -0500 From: "April Starnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: exiting a car on the show I was just writing to comment on something I've always noticed and thought was funny. I wondered if anyone else ever noticed how when ever anyone exits a car they always scoot across the seat and go out of the passenger door (except when Ellie, the new druggest tells Barney there is a burgular in the drug store when it's really Aunt Bee and Andy and she says, "Can't you use the passenger side?"). Any other time, unless there is more than one person in the car, they always scoot across the seat and go out the passenger door. I think they probally did this to save time in filming but it sure looks funny. I can never get enough of TAGS. It always makes me feel better to watch it after a hard day and I have many taped so I can do just that. Lots of luck to you and yours and more power to ya! Andy's character is my dream man, to bad I've never met anyone like him. Wouldn't it be great to live in the actual Mayberry just exactly like the show, characters an! d all! April Wade Starnes from Blountville,Tennessee - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:13:23 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Wandering Minstrel TAGS fans, I agree with whoever it was that wrote reading the script "The Wandering Minstrel" by Harvey Bullock is just like seeing the episode. I have often thought that if I were casting that episode, the perfect person for the minstrel (even though we saw him on TAGS in another role) would have been Buddy Ebsen. Who would you have cast in that role? Sam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:10:02 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sage Wisdom Two things from this wise ol' gal - When I was in high school way back yonder - when our parents wouldn't let us go out (sort of like being grounded) - we would say it was like "being imprisoned in the Bastille" - I didn't even know what the bastille was but it sounded important. My 2nd profound comment is that Otis would know more about pink elephants than white ones. That's all for now from Linda - the Texas Goober with all the answers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:10:11 -0500 From: "Teresa Horstman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Pick-ups and Splashes from Floor and Pool Hey! Saw an episode of "Bonanza" Saturday night with Briscoe Darling (Denver Pyle). What was fascinating is that he didn't seem to have any accent a'tall in Bonanza. Does anyone know if he really did have a Southern accent or not? Miss Poovey: I think the word you're groping for is "fiefdom," which is a feudal estate (or other small area) usually run by a single person (like a politician or such as that). But I like the idee of it being named for Barney! My darling person is home from the hospital--thanks to all you Mayberrians who e-mailed me! - --Aunt Bee in Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:03:25 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vo. 3 #55 Technical Gaffs Steve Mitchell wonders if there were any technical gaffs (no pun intended to the production Gaffer) spotted in the show. Well, I have noticed in a couple of episodes that when Ange & Barn sit and talk in the squad car, the front windshield has been removed to keep artificial (brute arc) and natural (sunlight) light glare from being a camera problem called a "kick in the lens" [specular refraction]. {Nowadays those problems are addressed by putting a "French Flag" or an "Eyebrow" on the camera's matte box and adjusting it so that the reflection of light doesn't hit the lens elements. The grip/electric departments can also address these problems by using what are called "lensers" (a solid black 'butterfly' also called 'choppers' {top chop, bottom chop, sider} at the light source or by moving the light slightly {remember H. S. geometry and physics? - the angle of reflection is equal to the angle of incidence...}. The grip or prop department obviously covered the chrome door edge with black gaffers tape for the same reasons. A product called dulling spray (affectionally called 'duck butter') is usually used to fix glare or reflection problems from shinny objects nowadays. Additionally when a scene was filmed with the squad car in it, notice that the interior rearview mirror has been removed [this arcane practice is still sometimes used in TV soaps and sitcoms, 'B' movies and amateur video & film productions] One reason that the actors exit the car through the passenger door is that when the camera angle covers their close-up or exit from their left profile at head level, the driverside door has been removed to avoid obstruction and/or awkward framing. Once, I don't remember which episode, I noticed audio cables on the floor near Andy's desk; and whenever there is a night scene in the courthouse, the light on the walls is muted by very obvious use of a "cukoloris" (a frame with an asymmetrical pattern of holes) or a "brancholoris" (a plain tree branch or limb) which is placed in front of a light source to break up the light into nondescript shadowy patterns. Those are my "noticer notes" on the subject. "more power to ya!" Tom (H. D. de'Bardeleben) Strongbow Little old ladies ought never to clank! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:18:21 -0500 From: Lisa Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: O Brother and Thelma Lou First of all, someone mentioned the O Brother soundtrack...I know it isn't Mayberry stuff, but they do love good music in Mayberry, and I think this soundtrack is awesome!! Now on an unrelated note, could it be that we don't see Thelma Lou in church because she works in the nursery? We know she's a good woman, and maybe she goes to keep the babies in the nursery during church!?! Just a thought... bye - Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:52:41 -0600 From: Dawn Biegelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Sports in Mayberry Loved the message from Steve C. contemplating the absence of hoops (a religion in North Carolina, apologies to any Hoosiers) and stock car racing. While I don't fancy the latter, I am an avid fan of basketball, esp. college, having graduated from Duke and watched lots of Tobacco Road teams over the years. So, it is indeed surprising to me that TAGS never had an episode devoted to a basketball storyline, nor even occasional references to it (did kids not play "H-O-R-S-E" back in the early 60s?). Opie seemed more fond of football, and I've read that in real life, Ronny Howard looooooved baseball. I can't imagine that it would have been that hard to rig up a set with an old backboard and rim on an outdoor court, but perhaps it was just easier to have Opie carry around a football (an easy prop to acquire and "wrangle.") Those are just my 2 cents worth. Great observation and query, Steve! Dawn in Kansas City - ----------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:38:06 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: production snafus In a message dated 2/19/01 12:43:13 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << My question today is does anyone remember seeing any production give aways during an episode? You know like a microphone showing, or dolly track or something like that? I do not remember any myself but just wondering if anyone else could think of any. >> At the beginning of the one about the Wally's filling station giveaway, a production crew can be clearly seen reflected in a window. I have to wonder if some of these things are more visible now simply because the original films have been remastered and are sharply in focus now... Dixon =========== "Now let's get THAT vehicle OUTTA here!!" - --Barney Fife ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:26:19 -0500 From: "Bruce and Mary Nail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: hawthorn prices I ran accross the taylor home on EBAY and saw the current bid was a whopping $102.00! Does anyone know what these pieces are going for? Best regards: Bruce and Mary Nail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:56:44 -0000 From: "Doug & Maria Largent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: He's a Prince Hello everybody, Well I received a thrill tonight when I received a personal answer to my comments about Harvey Bullock in yesterday's digest. Thank you, Mr. Bullock. You're a prince. Maria _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:36:39 -0000 From: "Doug & Maria Largent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Ernest T. Just was reading Richard Kelly's book, The Andy Griffith Show. On page 52 he says that Ernest T. came to Mayberry looking for an "ejacation." I read it and said to myself what is an e-JACK-uh-shun. Then it hit me. I guess I need to join Miss Crump's class too. Maria _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:11:47 -0800 (PST) From: Rafe Hollister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Production Boo-Boos Steve Mitchell asked: - --My question today is does anyone rember seeing any production give aways - --during an episode? You know like a microphone showing, or dolly track or - --something like that? Yes, several production errors have been noticed and documented, but one that I hadn't noticed until just recently is a SOUND error. The next time you watch "Barney's Uniform", the one where Fred Plummer threatens to beat up Barney as soon as he catches him out of uniform, pay close attention to the scene where Fred pays his littering fine to Andy. It's right after Barney leaves the courthouse (because he's uncomfortable being in the same room with Fred), and the camera moves to center Andy and Fred in the shot, with Andy sitting behind his desk. Turn up the volume right after Barney walks out the door, and you'll hear the camera dolly wheels SQUEAKING as the camera moves to its new position! I just love it when I see (or hear) something I hadn't noticed before while watching our favorite show! Doug "Rafe Hollister" Garretson "A, B, C, F, L, G... I know more of 'em but not in a row like that." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:33:24 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Production Bloopers Steve Mitchell wrote: >>>My question today is does anyone rember seeing any production give aways during an episode? You know like a microphone showing, or dolly track or something like that? <<< In the episode "The Darlings Are Coming" when Andy walks up on Briscoe at the horse trough, you can see a wire near Andy's shoes that appears to be going up his pant leg. I assume it's for a microphone.....Al Becker "They've hung that boy!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:27:02 -0000 From: "Doug & Maria Largent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Controversy Hello, Here's a little tidbit that should satisfy the fellow looking for controversy. I've been reading Richard Kelly's book, The Andy Griffith Show. In his book beginning on page 68, He discusses the cancelation of Mayberry RFD. He states that in 1971 CBS executives Bob Wood and Fred Silverman cancelled all shows considered "rural" in favor of so-called 'sophisticated' urban programs, including 3 Griffith shows (i.e. The New Andy Griffith Show, The Jim Nabors Variety Show and Mayberry RFD.) The shows were cancelled "because they felt they were disgracefuing CBS with their mindless, down home humor...Mayberry RFD was beating the competition in the ratings - and still the ax fell." Richard Linke is quoted as saying, "Mayberry was number 7. It broke our hearts." I remember Andy saying something in the last TV Land special about how he felt that he had lost a child when Mayberry RFD was cancelled. Aaron Ruben said, "(the network people) never saw through to the sophistication underlying the show (i.e. TAGS). If the men aren't wearing Brooks Brothers clothes and the women aren't wearing the latest hairstyles and fashions and they're not discussing something terribly chic at cocktails, then it isn't sophisticated." Sheldon Leonard said, "I think it (TAGS) received less recognition for that level of quality than almost any show I can think of, because its rural nature tended to downgrade it when it came to handing out awards of recognition." Jack Dodson goes so far as to say, "In order to justify the cancelation of our show, the executives said they were ahamed to have a program so lacking in merit and along with that we were blacklisted. Every time my name was brought up for anything at CBS, they'd say, 'No, we don't want him!'....It took me 5 years to get off the ground again." How's that for controversy? Jack continues, "...they sent out the barrage of publicity about what garbage all those rural shows were and how ashamed they were for having relied upon them so heavily all those years." I tell you it makes me mad. BUT, here's an interesting thing to consider that same Fred Silverman CBS executive who cancelled Mayberry was Executive Producer of Matlock. Go figure. I guess he had a change of heart about old Ange. Thanks for listening, Maria ------------------------------ End of wbmutbb-digest V3 #56 **************************** ************************************************** ~ Visit our sponsor ~ Weaver's Department Store ~ http://www.mayberry.com/tagsrwc/weavers/ ************************************************** You must send your comments to the Digest from the address you used to join WBMUTBB or your message will not be posted. Only members may post to this mailing list. To remove yourself from the WBMUTBB Digest mailing list goto: http://www.tagsrwc.com/wbmutbb/unsubscribe_digest.htm To change your email address, first unsubscribe using the command above and then re-subscribe by going to: http://www.tagsrwc.com/wbmutbb/joinwbmutbb.htm
