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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Liking Helen--And I Do, Too ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
2. Opposits attract (Ruth Stanley)
3. Lydia's Heartaches (Lydia)
4. RE: Katrina (CAPT .)
5. Helen / Natalie Schafer / Laura Petrie and comedy / Dud
Wash's weapons (Cynthia Mahoney)
6. answering Rick (Martha)
7. Pick Ups And Splashes from Floor and Pool
(GRITTON, JOE A (SBC-OPS))
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:21:13 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Liking Helen--And I Do, Too
To: [email protected]
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>While the men characters enjoyed some of the best humor that has ever been
>written, the parts as they were written for most of the main women were either
>childish or boring ...
Lydia,
Don't ya think it's kind of childish of you to call the parts childish?
Especially for some third party... *g*
Don Good
"What's wrong with third party? It's not dirty."
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:08:24 -0700
From: "Ruth Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Opposits attract
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Hey Y'all, don't you think Andy loved Helen for being spunky & not afraid to
speak her mind? They both were inteligent, a common factor of their
personalities. They both enjoyed the simple pleasures like a picnic by the
lake, when not being pestered by their friends when they went there for some
together time alone. There was mutual respect & they undersood each other. They
were also able to communicate well with each other & listened to what the other
person was saying, a very important factor in a marraige. I think they had the
essentials down well before they married because they took the time to know
each other.
Aunt Bee 2 (Ruth In Oregon)
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:18:03 -0400
From: Lydia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Lydia's Heartaches
To: <[email protected]>
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Why did Goober stop liking Lydia? A better question is why
didn't Andy ever start liking me? Ya'll know how hard I
tried with that man. How charming I was, how nicely dressed I was, what a warm
conversationalist I was, and he
just wasn't having any of it. Yes, he was pinning over Peggy and she's a hard
girl to compete with, but he could
have given me a fairer chance. But nooooooo. You just ask
Laura Lee Hobbs. Andy didn't do me right. And that's the
truth. No, now I'm glad he's stuck with bossy, jealous Helen. Serves him
right. I'm too good for him.
And Goober? You people know I loved that man dearly. Drove
around with bad tires, endangering my life, just to have a
chance to talk with him. You saw how my face lit up when his hand touched mind
at the end of our short date. Why I
thought we'd be together forever. But noooooo. He exchanged
me for a computer date with some chick who's no good for him. You give your
heart to a man and what do you get? Heartaches. Nothing but heartaches.
I heard from Laura Lee Hobbs she ended up breaking his heart, too. You
noticed that in
"Return to Mayberry" he was still a bachelor. However,
there's no need for me to be bitter because I found my true
love.
Tomorrow I'll go over to the Dime Store and buy a tube of
lipstick in his favorite color of "Slap My Face Red," and
later we'll eat chocolates until we get sick and just talk
about how much we love loving each other. Absolute bliss.
And my tires are good, too.
Lydia, "I hate the guitar. I don't mind the clarinet or the
saxophone. But I hate the guitar."
I still can't understand why Andy didn't take to me.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:16:33 -0600
From: "CAPT ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Katrina
To: [email protected]
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MFD (Mayberry Fire Dept) would have made it fine no doubt in my mind.
Actually I do remember they had a search and rescue a couple times, which
Barney headed up.
Once when Helen and Andy got lost in the cave, and the Return to Mayberry
Movie, I think where Sheriff Barney got up a search team to hunt for Ernest
T.'s monster.
Now was Barney sheriff or Actin Sheriff in that movie.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:51:26 -0500
From: "Cynthia Mahoney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Helen / Natalie Schafer / Laura Petrie and comedy / Dud
Wash's weapons
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"And the part of Helen couldn't have been all that much fun for her to play, at
least it wouldn't have been to me."
I believe that in one of the TAGS specials, either Aneta Coursaut or Betty Lynn
(I can't remember which) said that both of them were a little jealous of Jean
Carson and Joyce Jameson (the Fun Girls) because they got the funny lines and
the fun parts and Aneta and Betty did not.
However, I find Helen to be hilarious when she is mad at Andy. Aneta Coursaut
was excellent at playing the angry Helen who was telling Andy off for some
reason or pretending to be pleasant when she was very angry. I don't know that
the writers intended for her to be funny when she was angry, but, in my
opinion, she definitely was. I believe that any man who has had an argument
with his wife or girlfriend can relate to Andy in the episode "Guest in the
House" when he asks Helen what is wrong and she says sarcastically,
"Everything's fine. Nothing's the matter." That scene cracks me up every
time, as does the scene in "Three Wishes for Opie" where she storms up to Andy
and lets him have it for supposedly telling everyone they are engaged without
asking her first. After all, who does he think he is - Mayberry's answer to
Cary Grant?
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" Natalie Schafer appeared in the 'Mayberry R.F.D.' episode "Goober the House
Sitter." It's basically Lovey Howell in Mayberry."
I think Natalie Schafer was cast in that type of role quite often. She was
also the same type of character in an episode of "I Love Lucy" where she was
the owner of a charm school that Lucy and Ethel attend.
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"However, "The Dick Van Dyke Show" is definitely an exception to that, as Laura
was spotlighted in several shows with some very funny lines and situations."
As I understand it, the character of Laura was not originally intended to be a
comedic part at all. That changed in the episode where Laura thinks Rob is not
noticing her anymore and she dyes her hair to get his attention. That was the
point where they realized that Mary Tyler Moore could do comedy well, and then
they started writing more comedy for her.
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"When he was in the courthouse challenging Andy and dancing around, suggesting
weapons. Willow Swithches or ???? whatever that was."
It was willow branches and whittling knives, I think.
Mary Grace Gossage
"When I become engaged to someone, I have one very simple requirement. I'd
like to be asked first."
"What really infuriates me is listening to all your friends telling me what a
great catch you are. Well, you're not caught yet!"
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:53:14 -0700
From: "Martha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: answering Rick
To: "Andy Griffith bulletin board" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The bible for all entertainment info is http://www.imdb.com/.
Just type in name of actor or title of show. More than you ever thought you
wanted to know.
And: I watched the first season of The Muppet Show where Jim Nabors was a
guest on one episode. Half the time he was a singer; the other half he was
Gomer. He worked well with the muppets; to me that's a good thing and there
were guests who didn't.
Martha, the Mayberry and Muppet fan
Huntsville, AL
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:02:33 -0400
From: "GRITTON, JOE A \(SBC-OPS\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pick Ups And Splashes from Floor and Pool
To: <[email protected]>
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I have a nice collection of books about the Andy Griffith Show, so I
picked up with interest a book about The Dick Van Dyke Show. "The
Official Dick Van Dyke Show Book" by Vince Waldron. I was really
reading to compare and contrast with our favorite show. I know that
there were many character actors that appeared in both shows.
I counted at least 23 actors such as Allen Melvin that appeared in both
shows. That doesn't count TAGS Writer Bill Idelson who played Herman
Glimpshire. What I found even more interesting though was how many
folks behind the scenes worked on both shows. Its not too hard to
imagine though since they were very close to each other in the Desilu
Cahuenga Studios in that same era.
Here are some of those behind the scenes folks that worked on both
shows. Sheldon Leonard, (he even refers to using what worked on TAGS
on the DVD show) Earl Hagen (theme song) , Aaron Ruben, Harvey Bullock,
Alan Rafkin, Frank Meyers, Jay Sandrich and Ruth Burch. Ruth is
probably the reason there were so many of the same actors. She was in
charge of casting for both shows. She probably doesn't get enough
credit for finding just the right actor for the various extra roles. In
this book they referred to the extra characters such as Amzie
Strickland, Will Wright, and Herbie Faye as the "Stock Cast". Many of
these folks were also in I Love Lucy, Leave it to Beaver and probably
many other shows of the era that we don't see today.
One more interesting note, even though they showed Buddy's wife Pickles
a few times, it seems that some wished they hadn't, and left her a
mystery like our Sarah and Juanita.
Hope this trivia wasn't too boring
The Untrained Voice
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