Well we're quickly reached the end of my knowledge of Promise (short trip).

Ghost? Move the data to a storage device and bring it back after a clean
install?

Linux? Run a dual boot and access the data using the linux partition
(assumes windows on the other partition). 

Muttered oaths and just start again?

drew

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From: Furry, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:08 AM
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Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: [OT] RAID crash recover


drew wrote:
Ah. Promise. That's a whole different issue. I don't know if you have
their
Serial ATA (SATA) or built-in double sets of IDE controllers (wide and
gray
is IDE, thin and red going to a card is SATA).

Tim:
It's the IDE version - two ports, two drives per port.  They've got a
four-port version that's faster but I didn't want to spend that much.
80-wire IDE cables for faster transfers.

drew:
I do know from someone who has Promise (he's got onboard dual IDE
controllers
sets)that the order in which the hard drives are plugged is crucial to
how
the Promise software sees and manipulates the hard drives. He lost his
bootability trying to tweak performance by changing the sequence of the
drives. He had to restore the original order of the drives to recover.

When the tech walked you through restoring the RAID, did he have you
replug
any of the ribbon cables? If you changed the order, that's probably why
you
can't boot.

Tim:
Yes, I was aware of this.  The drives were not unplugged at all, or even
moved, until after the array rebuild was completed.  I finally did
unplug them when accessing the drives via RAID was proving unhelpful,
and installed one of the striped pairs on the motherboard's second IDE
port to use the recovery software.  I have kept all the connections
labeled so I can reinstall back to the original drives and order if
needed.

drew:
I've no idea if System Commander could be the problem unless SysCom is
looking for a drive the letter of which has now been changed. Doesn't
SysCom
keep backup copies of MBRs?

Tim:
During the original boot cycle it should have been fine as nothing had
changed.  Once past the RAID BIOS POST, though, I got an "H0" error and
a statement that SysComm couldn't find a valid installation.  Doing some
minor research on "H0" indicated that the boot sector was very likely
messed up, meaning that the SysComm had probably either hosed it or been
hosed by it.  SysComm is supposed to keep backup copies, but that
doesn't do any good if it can't run to restore them.  :-)

drew:
It's also a little troublesome to hear that Promise gave you no warning
the RAID was down.

Tim:
Yeah, agreed.  Over the last year or so it's given false warnings, too -
occasionally stating that the IDE-0 master drive was critical (once
every 2-3 weeks).  I used to have it rebuild the drive when it came up
with this, which took about 8 hours and of course the PC was unusable
during that time.  I accidentally found out that these were apparently
false warnings when one night I skipped the rebuild and just shut it
down...and amazingly the drive was marked "online" the next day.
Working with Promise and Western Digital tech support people just ended
up in a bunch of fingerpointing and no solutions, until I got ahold of a
WD manager and explained the problem.  He very kindly sent out two brand
new matching WD drives and let me swap them into the IDE-0 port...and
two weeks later I had the same error again.  The drives had been
changed, the cables changed twice; all that's left is the Promise card,
which still is under warranty but I really want to get that data off
before I start nagging them again.

We used Promise IDE controllers for years in a lab I worked in without
incident - they're good stuff.  I just wish I knew what was going on
here.

Tim
___________________________ 
Tim Furry
Web Developer 
Foulston Siefkin LLP 




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