This topic brings to mind something I've been wondering about... Web programming.
So, for example, purely from a programming standpoint, how do the FFA (Free For All) search engines accept and manage placements? Meaning, what language do they use to manage that and how do they use the language to create the listing? I'm a programmer, but I've never really done any *web* programming (other than futzing) and there are so many languages to pick from. I can tell they're grabbing the submissions via CGI, but then what? Can CGI manage the submission from start to finish? Could XML? (Heeeeellllllppppp!!! <lol>) I get to switch to .Net here soon, which looks like it's gonna kick a** and take names later... Anyone willing to educate a web programming neophyte? Thanks kindly in advance, Tracy -----Original Message----- From: Bob Laurence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Search Engines Hi Jac, You do not have to pay to submit and just submitting to the search engines does not guarantee where you will be placed. So all this company that you received this spam from is doing is charging you to submit the sites which you can do yourself. My advice, submit to dmoz.org to get into the so called paid inclusion search engines as a lot of them use the data form this project. Google also uses the description form the DMOZ as the description in their data base because it is human written by a third party not affiliated with the site which tends to make the description more accurate, in their opinion! Sometimes it is diametrically opposed to the real description. :) If you want to come up for any specific keyword phrase all the time and on every page you can use Googles ad words. https://adwords.google.com/select/ If you want to optimize your pages for any specific keyword phrases then you need the assistance of a SE marketer. Here are the first results for this site. www.bringyourbuyer.com These are the keywords this client chose for this site that we developed http://bringyourbuyer.com/stats/PageKey-16.htm Note the change column. also note last position and the increase in positioning after we made changes the last position is after the first submission. Once we find out where we stand then we optimize the site for the search engines. click on the keywords to see the actual results. Examples: this phrase Greater Atlanta North Georgia Real Estate was not in Excite the search engine and now it is #4 on the first page. Verify this by clicking on the keyword phrase. Remember that the GOOGLE search results are also shown at America Online, CompuServe, Netscape, Ask Jeeves, AT&T Worldnet, EarthLink and Excite just go to google http://www.google.com/addurl.html As you can see we still have a lot of work to do for this particular site. Just wanted to show you how the SEO starts. The spam email...well, the first paragraph facts are true or were in 1998. You can always validate any internet facts at Gartner Research or Jupiter media research. I gerneal if you are not on the first2-3 pages of any search enigne you will not be visited. Plain and simple. Regarding this sentence from the spam: "A Top 20 position in one of the major search engines guarantees traffic ." Of course it does but they are inferring this and not actually saying they will get you the top 20 position as nobody can guarantee this. Think about it. there are only 20 positions for every given keyword combination. Now how many sites can occupy these 20 positions? 20 of course, no more no less. bob Pournelle's Law : "If you don't know what you are doing, make sure you deal with people who do." ----- Original Message ----- From: "jac - WDVL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] Search Engines > Hi guys, > got this email tonight and because of it, it's the first time I'm > actually thinking of using "paid inclusion". Has anyone else dealt > with this company before or could someone recommend a better > option/company. > > thanks again for your valuable insight & experience > > jac. > > ----------------------- > > Hello, > > Search engines now account for over 85% of all new visitors to a web > site (GVU Users Survey). You have probably read this fact before, but > what you may not know is that only 7% of Internet > users will surf beyond the first 20 listings of a search engine. > In fact, in a recent study it has been shown that over 87% of search > engine users would rather > switch to a different search engine, > than browse beyond the first 20 positions (NEC Research Institute). > > Statistics show that almost everyone begins their Internet journey > with search engines. Webmasters that enjoy high search engine rankings > support this statement. > > For increasing traffic to your website, search engines are the most > effective tools. A Top 20 position in one of the major search engines > guarantees traffic that is multi fold. > Furthermore, the incoming traffic is always more targeted - consisting > of people more interested > in site's content. > Thus any successful journey for brand building on the web must > necessarily commence with Search > Engine Submission. > > One of the best options available to promote a website is called > "express inclusion" . > > EXPRESS INCLUSION ADVANTAGES > > First, and most importantly, Entireweb express inclusion programs give > you the opportunity to have your pages indexed and added to search > results very quickly (within two business days). This compares very > favorably with the months that it can take to wait > for the spider to find your pages on its own > (and if you have no incoming links, the spider will never find your > pages). > > Fast Re-indexing > The paid inclusion spider will revisit your pages frequently (every 48 > hours). This means that you can make tweaks to your pages designed to > improve your rankings and see the results in days (rather than > months). > > For more information, follow the link below. > Entireweb Express Inclusion: http://www.entireweb.com/eng/express/ > > Sincerely, > The Entireweb Team > "We have the future. You use it!" > http://www.entireweb.com/ > > # # # > > > ____ . 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