pat wrote:

> In the main I agree but if one is a true
> free speech advocate one must defend the
> right of others to speak their minds
> despite the abhorrent message.
> 
i don't believe free speech covers incitement to commit criminal acts. disclaimer: I'm 
not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV <smile> -- but we have a few on this list -- 
brett??

> Ref: ACLU defending the Klu Klux Klan
> right to free speech.
> 
yes, the right to organize and march. not the right to deface property or kill people 
[ie, break laws]


rich wrote:

> > > I am, however, going to express an opinion about the subject of this
> > > ruling, which has nothing to with abortion, and everything to do with
> > > the distinction between speech and conduct, and with constitutionally-valid
> > > imposed limits on speech (e.g. the old "fire-in-a-crowded-theater" argument).
> > >
> > > I think both factors are at work here. It's very clear from the content
> > > of these sites [I'm aware of two; don't know if either or both are covered
> > > in this ligitation] that the intent is to pose overt and implied threats to
> > > physicians and their families, and to encourage and support aggressive
> > > conduct (including criminal conduct) against them.  This intent is made
> > > unambiguously and undeniably clear by the materials on the sites themselves,
> > > by the public statements of their creators, and by their endorsement of
> > > acts (including violent acts) directed against the subjects of these materials.
> 
i'm not sure how the web material differs from other printed material that may be 
distributed by these groups. it seems that both should be covered.

it will be interesting to see how 'hate sites' or other advocacy groups target 
individuals by putting "private" information online. 

for example, there's public information about elected officials, such as how they vote 
on bills and their office phone numbers. but wife's name & children's names & ages and 
where they go to school? what is "private"? I believe that's another point of this 
case -- privacy -- which is a net "biggie."


Kathy






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