Excellent post, Javilk, hence my repeating the entire post below.
I'd like to add, though, a trick I use to handle the spamming
concern.  Since my personal domain has unlimited "email aliases",
I use a special email address when submitting a site and set up
filters to send all email addressed to that particular address
into its own bit bucket.  That way, I never see the spams unless
I choose to.

I use what I consider one of the best submission programs
available called AddWeb ( http://www.cyberspacehq.com/addweb/home.htm )
which is currently at version 2.54.  Version 3.0 is in beta and,
when released, will submit to over 1500 different engines --
submitting to multiple sites simultaneously.  It's ranking
engine will rank a site with the top 14 search engines and the
reporting is excellent.  Though my company name is similar to
theirs, I have no association with them except as a very
happy customer, and now, a beta tester of version 3.0.

Tom Fosson

At 07:59 PM 2/20/99 -0800, Javilk wrote:
>> 
>> I have a question for the pros.
>> Is it true the only way for a webpage to be among the
>> top sites of the search engines is to go through Submit-it
>> and other services?? Also, besides having meta tags within 
>> the HEAD tags, is there another technique to get noticed by
>> the search engines?
>
>    First, many of the so called submission engines will submit your site
>to other sites which use submissions as a way of getting names to spam
>with their advertising.  When I submitted a special page to a 500 site
>submission service, I got a few hits to that page, mostly from robots, and
>must have been 200 or 300 pieces of spammage!  A month later, that page
>was getting ZERO hits.   So my advice is hit the search engines yourself,
>and plug the pages yourself.
>
>    Third, meta tags and titles are nearly mandatory.  They are not enough
>to get you good position... but almost enough.  If you want to be listed
>for, say, "boats",  you need a good title, like 
>
>   "Sunnyside Boats and Boat Equipment"
>
>    (Note that the word boat is more common than boating in queries, so
>you should use boat rather than boating.)
>
> Then you need a good billboard for your site -- the meta description tag.
>one to two lines of text.  Your meta description tag is your store front on
>the information superhighway.  You web pages are showrooms, not
>store fronts.  They don't see your pages till after they have decided to
>enter your site... It is your meta description tag that has to persuade
>them to visit you.  Example:
>
>meta name="description" content="We make, sell, and finance boats 5 to 50
>feet long. Real wood, real brass, real class! Training classes too!  New
>and used."
>
>(Note, I did not say "pre-owned", because no one searches for pre-owned
>boats, they search for used boats.  And maybe forclosure boats or
>reposessed boats, but that does not look good on the description.
>
>Nex, you need a good set of keywords on boating:
>
>meta name="keywords" content="boat, boats, boating, dock, drydock,
>trailer, fish, fishing, sail, sailboat, sailboats, new, used, sale,
>finance, credit, loan, bass, houseboat, houseboats, powerboats, skiboats,
>forclosure, reposessed...
>
>Having that, you need to work the main keywords into the titles and text
>of the pages.
>
>H1 Great New and Used Boats for Sale /H1
>
>H2 Powerboats for sale /H2
>  
>    We have new and used powerboats....
>
>
>h2 Good bass fishing boats
>
>   We carry the latest line of bass boats...
>
>   And well into the pages, so that people have some text to read while
>they are waiting, you can add some pictures of boats.
>
>     Having done it that way, the search engines will see that your meta
>tags are not empty words, but are worth far more because they are repeated
>in the text and titles.  This will cause some engines to put you much
>higher than pages which just mention the words in the text, or just in the
>meta tags.
>
>     And once a person hits your page, he or she will see right off the
>bat that you DO have what they are looking for.
>
>     As to how you can tell what keywords to use, well... drop in on the
>link below, and also check http://www.mall-net.com/se_tech/zero.html
>
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